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Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 2
posted September 28, 2002 03:31 PM
Never been in a mod before. Took it out to hotlap the other night and the engine ran ok but I wasn’t very fast around the track. The car seemed to be pushing. It felt to me that I was just driving around the corner. I have raced a cutlass imca hobby stock before. My question is do you have to throw mods into the corner? The faster I tried to go the more it pushed. Could I have been lifting too soon or slowing down too much for the car to work right in the corner? I did get it to break loose but it was not a good feeling. I am not sure just how the car should feel in the corner. When I get the car to break loose it doesn’t feel good to me. Is this something that I will need to get used to? When I get it loose I feel out of control and would not be comfortable at all in a pack of cars. Do I just need more practice or should the car be more forgiving than it is (maybe wrong springs or shocks) ? I have 750 lf 850 rf 200 lr 175 rr and 75 lf 76 rf and 94 rear shocks in it. The season is almost over but I would like to get some laps in while the track is still open. Are the racing schools worth the (LARGE) expense? Or would it be better to just get laps but not know what I am doing so to speak? I would like some feed back. I hope some track champions and experienced drivers will answer to this. Sorry for the length of this post but I know other guys out there want to know the same thing but are embarrassed to ask. Thanks guys for any help.

Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted September 28, 2002 06:13 PM
By asking for help, it seems you have a good head on your shoulders. You have ran a hobby stock before ,so thats another plus.
You need to be comfortable before you can be fast. You dont need to prove anything,DONT DRIVE OVER YOUR HEAD!
I would start scratch until you are up to speed and can hold a line on the track.
Other drivers will respect you,for respecting them and their equiptment.
If possible,have a veteran driver you trust hot lap the car to see if it is close. It may not be you, as much as the cars set-up.
Dont get discouraged, we've all been through it.
The main thing is going to be seat time.
Get as much as possible! The more comfortable you get,the faster your lap times will be. Good Luck.

Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 32
posted September 28, 2002 09:04 PM
Something you may try is reversing your front shocks. This should help you get into the corner better and don't cost anything to try. You have to get the car in then work from there. I spent several weeks this season throwing my car in, but found it impossible to throw it just right every time. I went to a softer RF shock and it was like night and day difference. Worth a shot.

Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 5060
posted September 29, 2002 08:40 AM UIN: 16262997
I have done some racing this year locally with much smaller motors than my competitors. I have been outpowered badly. I did this purposely in order to get my driving down better. I was trying to get competitive just off of my driving ability. I put a small motor in that wouldn't overpower the tires too much that wouldn't be too hard to set up for, and just drove. When we started, I was slinging the car pretty good in the turns. I drove more and more and got used this motor combination. I learned a few things when it gets slick about getting around the track. One, was that if I slung the car at all, I was loosing ground, ground that I couldn't make up because of my motor combo. If I fall behind, I am going to stay behind. Two, if I drive the car and set the car in the turns and let it roll over correctly and then get back out, then the car seemed to keep speed much better. As long as I didn't make too many mistakes that I could run in the top 10 with a 750 dollar IMCA motor in the feature with 10k motors that were running with me. We did have some help there, we have one of camcraft's cams in, a KP carb, Cramac oil and a Sniper. But, we worked on the package somewhat to see what we could do with a smaller combo against these guys running 10k motors with Berts and Brinns(outlaw mods). With the proper driving techniques(I dont have it down yet) we were able to get in the top 10 in the feature consistently with these guys. I feel like this was an accomplishment in my driving skills to do this. That is one thing that I stress. I think it is better to start off small and go upward. Gain your confidence in your setups and your driving skill and knowledge. If you start out with a 10k motor in your car, your never gonna achieve that confidence, your car, nor the driver will ever be hooked up. If they do get hooked, it will take longer with this scenario I believe.

I hope this helps. It sure has helped me this year.


Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 76
posted September 29, 2002 09:09 AM
If your points champ is someone you can talk to, I would definitly ask him, or someone with equal talent, to drive your car and help you set it up. When he can get the car turning lap times equal to your tracks top times, then you can concentrate on your driving skill knowing that the car is doing it's job. Offering to pay something (money or labor) for his help doesn't hurt either.

Dirt Freak

Total posts: 240
posted September 29, 2002 02:36 PM
I agree with everyones posts, and would add this, IF you can afford to, attend a school to learn how the suspension works and what to do with it when things are acting up. I say this assuming money isn't an issue, but check the prices, it may surprise you

Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 163
posted September 29, 2002 04:54 PM
jammin, you are absolutely correct. i've watched a lot of new guys step into an 500+ HP outlaw stock or modified and go broke fixing it after wrecking every week before they ever got fast enough to be competitive. good advice. the most important part of the car is the driver. if he isn't comfortable, it ain't happening.

Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 42
posted September 30, 2002 10:40 AM
I have been in the same position HOTROD MOD this whole season. Every weekend, I hot lap and my dad runs the heat and feature. Luckily the track is usually decent during hot laps so I actually get a touch of seat time on a good track. I ran my first feature this past weekend and finished 9th out of 23 cars. I agree with everybody’s post so far. If you can get an experienced driver to run your car and show you that it can be fast, it will build your confidence tremendously. My dad is very competitive when he drives so when I see him run the car FAST, I can really trust the car when I get in. For me when I was starting to get into the car, that was VERY important. If you can't trust that when you fly into the corner that it won’t stick, you can never run it in the corners like you really should. Second, once you have this confidence, I have found that with our mod, you have to drive it in harder than you think for everything to work properly, or it is just gonna push like nobodies business. But then again, it all goes back to what I just said about trusting the car. You are never gonna drive it in hard if you can't trust that it will stick. Good Luck. It will all be worth it once you make that first corner when the car REALLY hooks up and it is laying over on the RR so hard you feel like you are gonna go through the bottom of the seat. SMILE on your face through the whole turn!!!

Dirt Track Junkie
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted September 30, 2002 07:11 PM
I agree with having a veteran driver take a spin in your car. Also have them help you with setup. There may be something you are missing that makes the car unstable for you. Most guys will help you because if the have to pass you it makes it easier if you can hold a line that they can see. Since you have driven I assume you know what a car should feel like going through the turns. A Modified (in my opinion) should feel more comfortable than a hobby stock. You're dealing with more of a "racecar" now than with a "stock" car. When I first started I had a driver tell me "be smooth first and the fast will come". Good luck and have a good time!

Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 2
posted October 01, 2002 08:54 PM
thanks guys for the help. i am looking forward to racing next year but want to get some seat time this year. hope to talk to as many drivers over the winter as i can to get some more tips. thanks again.

Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted October 04, 2002 09:09 AM
i agree with all above. have someone whos fast race the car, prefferebly someone with the same chassis. and absolutly do not throw the car into the corner, after you get rid of the "blur" when you start racing and after you begin to get used to "racing" you should be able to take advatage of what the car is offering you. if you throw a car in, it upsets the chassis and wants to throw its weight around, rather than allowing the car to "roll" throw and turn itself. after you get used to allowing the car to roll in you can pick up the gas and have the car hooked, when you throw the car in it definetly turns you, but you scrub speed off. if you wtch ppl race and how there car looks in the entrance middle and exit, you can have a better understanding of what the acr should look like. go to the corner and notice where other racers hands are positioned in entry, middle and exit, thenbhave a pit crew man go watch you and compare each other. if your hands are tunred further than others, tyou are oversteering, and if not as much you aren't going in hard enough. with every driver, it takes time. getting used to the feel of the car rolling through is the hardest to get used to, and being able to pick back up on the throttle and not spinning out. its always easy for ppl to say what to do, when you are the one driving. make sure your car is slaed perfect every night so tat you can work on your driving and not the setup. make sure the car is setup well, and that you know what yur doing with setup. you are never going to go fast without setup, and everyone on here knows most of going fast is setup. when u get comfortable, ask other drivers what they see, and ask them to watch you. take their advice, it may not be what u want to hear, but if you don't listen you will never win. good luck.

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