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modman97
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted April 21, 2002 09:56 AM
Does anybody have any insight on traction control devices, or Olsen style lockers?
I understand that there is a system that works from your MSD box costing around $3000. This is a little much to spend racing for $200 to win ,but I would like to know a little more about what im up against.
Feel free to E-mail me in confidence.

doowchuck
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 66
posted April 21, 2002 05:54 PM
Joe, you can order a programable ignition box from Summit. VERY ILLEGAL!!!!! The rest of us really would'nt appreciate it.
John

tls88mod
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted April 21, 2002 07:15 PM
www.moretraction.com

George Gilliland
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 39
posted April 22, 2002 01:23 PM
I use my right foot for traction control, it works fair and its always in the car with me any way. So how are you doing Modman?

George.

racerwilson
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 21
posted April 23, 2002 11:31 AM
give up on traction control! it is not all you thin it is. it doesn't allow the engine to run properly causing internal problems.
when using it it's on when you think it sound be off and off when should be on.
so don't waste your money. other places it would be well spent.

fieldburner31
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted April 23, 2002 11:35 AM
I have a sophisticated traction control system that works off of my right foot and the seat of my pants!
LOL

dirtracr
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 79
posted April 23, 2002 09:29 PM
traction control is for pu**ies who cant drive in the first place..

modracer817
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted April 23, 2002 10:25 PM
here is an interesting tip, i use a high rpm cam, its range is 4600-7500 rpm when you come off the corner since the motor is not in the range of the cam you get less wheel spin but when you hit the range the car flies. try it and see.

modman97
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted April 23, 2002 11:02 PM
Thanks to most of you guys on here I had a good car right out of the box. But im being beat by traction control. I ran high,low, backed it it, bonzied. But was spanked anyway. I have recieved e-mails from others in the same boat. We just need to keep pluggin away, it will be just that much sweeter!

lias_37
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 3
posted April 24, 2002 04:30 PM
Joe, I must be the guy you are talking about. First I'd like to say, you as well as I know traction control devices are illegal in IMCA racing. Second, I'm abit dissapointed in you to think that I'd be dumb enough to use something like that. So before you go and spend 3-5 grand on something that if you get caught with will result in a 1yr suspension and a 10 grand fine, I believe there are other alternatives. Such as a protest to the tech man, I know ha ha, but seriously, what ever the cost is $50 or so, come and get me Friday night, and we'll go to the techman together I welcome it. After all, the pay there is terrible and I could use the extra money. I personally don't think you've got all out of your car that you can not even close. The Steve Smith books, the Dirtworks,Harris,grt set-up sheets only get you to a certain level. To get farther you really have to apply yourself. My raceteam and I, eat, drink, and sleep this stuff. I race 50 to 60 times a season, don't you think that I might just learn something while I'm out there? Now by no means am I the smartest, or best racer out there, we get our butts kicked also, but I never go and accuse someone of cheating. I or I should say we go back and take good hard look at why we got beat and what there is we could try to do better or different the next time. Some advice, take the 3-5 grand and invest in some college courses in Physics, and welding then take what you learned and apply it to the rear suspension and front suspension of your race race. Joe, no hard feelings here, see you Friday night. Sean

modman97
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted April 24, 2002 06:37 PM
Sean,
Thanks for your response. As you know, our tracks dont have tech guys. I would never spend that kind of money on something illegal. Its out there though. I have received over 20 E-mails from other drivers regarding this.
As a 5 time Regional Champion you could bring a lot to this forum. I never doubted your knowledge of physics ,competitiveness or driving ability. Many of us on here struggle on dry slick tracks,using hard spec tires. You have mastered it. Please enlighten us!

155fan
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted April 24, 2002 08:24 PM
What kind of car and type of susp. you runnin there Sean ? Pull bar type , panhard bar type mounted where , and springs located ? Might help me here in Ky. and not hurt you since I'll never be out your way ! Thanks for any info ! I run a 3link with long biscuit pullbar , short panbar on lt. side , and both springs on top of housing of Lightning car .

Anth USA-1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 16
posted April 24, 2002 09:15 PM
MODMAN97 Enlighten us? I think that info is for him to know and for you to find out. Why should he just tell you? He did the work, and you get the answers? No offense, but seriously that is ridiculous. Sharing some info is understandable...

modman97
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted April 25, 2002 05:09 PM
Anth USA-
You are absolutely correct,
I was just hoping that he would shed some light for the rest of us ,and save us all from taking the college Physics course.

lias_37
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 3
posted April 26, 2002 11:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by modman97:
Anth USA-
You are absolutely correct,
I was just hoping that he would shed some light for the rest of us ,and save us all from taking the college Physics course.

Most of the cars I see at the tracks that I race at are not what I call "working dynamically" that is they run around the track like "shoe boxes with dowel pinned wheels." In short I'm saying the suspension is not working. I've had many drivers ask me why there car doesn't do this or that. They say they have had it on scales ect... But they don't realize a car can look perfect on scales (weight percentages right where they should be) But once they are on the track things change, The control arm angles change, which changes wheel bases, which also changes the perfect anti-squat you had in the garage, And I could go on, bumpsteer,rollcenters ect... Probably nothing new to most of you, but you should take a good hard look at what your car's suspension is doing while it is going thru it's motion on the track.And that brings me to another item, Even if everything is perfect on your car (gears, motor, static setup, dynamic setup, driver) How can some guys and there are alot out there show up to the track with last weeks mud still on the car and expect to clean up. Now I'm not busting on anyone but we all see it happen. A cars suspension HAS TO WORK FREELY! MODMAN watch the DIRT mods very closely, they roll, they lean, pick and drop ect.. and they have no where near the suspension capabilities that IMCA mods do. Granted they have huge tires, but still most of the big boys Decker, McCready you can see their cars working,they are free. And Anth USA-1 you are right, I don't mind helping people out,but some of the more "finer tuned knowledge was ****ed hard to come by" Nobody handed it out, most was trial and error.

jmdrace
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 1
posted April 27, 2002 08:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by lias_37:
Most of the cars I see at the tracks that I race at are not what I call "working dynamically" that is they run around the track like "shoe boxes with dowel pinned wheels." In short I'm saying the suspension is not working. I've had many drivers ask me why there car doesn't do this or that. They say they have had it on scales ect... But they don't realize a car can look perfect on scales (weight percentages right where they should be) But once they are on the track things change, The control arm angles change, which changes wheel bases, which also changes the perfect anti-squat you had in the garage, And I could go on, bumpsteer,rollcenters ect... Probably nothing new to most of you, but you should take a good hard look at what your car's suspension is doing while it is going thru it's motion on the track.And that brings me to another item, Even if everything is perfect on your car (gears, motor, static setup, dynamic setup, driver) How can some guys and there are alot out there show up to the track with last weeks mud still on the car and expect to clean up. Now I'm not busting on anyone but we all see it happen. A cars suspension HAS TO WORK FREELY! MODMAN watch the DIRT mods very closely, they roll, they lean, pick and drop ect.. and they have no where near the suspension capabilities that IMCA mods do. Granted they have huge tires, but still most of the big boys Decker, McCready you can see their cars working,they are free. And Anth USA-1 you are right, I don't mind helping people out,but some of the more "finer tuned knowledge was ****ed hard to come by" Nobody handed it out, most was trial and error.

prostock07
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 1
posted August 17, 2002 06:26 AM
traction control retards the timing 12 degrees 5 cars will get by use your right foot like the rest of us do

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prostock07

modman97
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted August 17, 2002 04:50 PM
Dude-
Are you that bored?
At 6 o'clock in the morning your responding to a 3 month old post.

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