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powerglides
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 170
posted January 02, 2002 10:40 AM
What is the Story on the new IMCA Mod class for 2003? Different car or just restricted motor?

oldgold
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 36
posted January 02, 2002 08:24 PM
my understanding is no exotic aluminum parts stock a-frames both upper and lowers no racing clutches and run on a holly 4412 2 bbl and posibley running a gm rearend oldgold

dirtslinger66
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted January 02, 2002 10:08 PM
from what i was told by an IMCA promotor it will likely be a 360 9 to 1 with holley 4412 chassis will be the same as a regular mod

RACEFAN33
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 15
posted January 03, 2002 12:26 AM
Is there any truth to this????????/

Pickles
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 76
posted January 03, 2002 06:42 PM
According to last issue of Speedway Illustrated; rules will be out in April.

charlie_two
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted January 05, 2002 03:51 PM
when this happens i wont run imca anymore.

devil wrench
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 51
posted January 05, 2002 08:13 PM
Charlie, I'm sure it's gonna be another class, not the existing mods. No promoter in the world is dumb enough to obsolete that many people's equipmint with the stroke of a pen. At least, I hope not.

DMAXJ1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 11
posted January 05, 2002 09:00 PM
I like the idea we all know the cost of racing is out of hand. Our local track is running these rule this season it will let the little man back in racing!

dirtslinger66
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted January 05, 2002 11:39 PM
It's going to be a new class they are not changing the current mods. There will be a A MOD class and a B MOD class

ford5
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 221
posted January 06, 2002 07:13 AM
we already have an amod and bmod class here eastern ia., i have cars that run in both classes, and can tell you all that the bmods are just as much fun and competitive as the amods and the bmod class is growing while the amod is shriveling, and its all because of the money being spent! i have raced someform of cars since 1981 so i feel like ive seen it all transpire and i dont like where its heading, at least around here anyway!

hiredgun
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 16
posted January 06, 2002 03:11 PM
I think this is more inline with the limited mod class that runs in houston area and there is a series called SIMS starting this year.

General
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted January 07, 2002 08:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by hiredgun:
I think this is more inline with the limited mod class that runs in houston area and there is a series called SIMS starting this year.

I dissagree. How can you compare a real modified chassis with a bomber? You can't. I like the Houston area Limited Mods, but you can't compare a bomber mod to a B-Mod, B-Mods are just way faster. Houston area tracks should consider dropping a few full bodied classes to make room for the B-Mods. Limited Mods should have replaced Street Stocks in Houston. How many Bomber classes do you need anyway? I say yes to B-Modifieds! Just my 2 cents.

SIMS_Mods
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 11
posted January 07, 2002 10:00 AM
You didn't ask for it, and you probably don't want it, but here goes our opinion and view on B-Mods.

Let me first start by the IDEA is great. Whoever came up with a B-Mod is someone who really wants to help the racers. But, the cost of the chassis (roller) are the same no matter what motor is in it. A new roller is anywhere from $9-15k. So, how is this supposed to be an affordable class when just by the price of the car you've eliminated 3/4 of the everyday people. Granted, the overall cost of a race ready B-Mod is less than that of an A-Mod, but what it's doing is splitting the class of cars. That's why SIMS did not come out with B-Mods. In the south racing is not quite as popular as it is in the north. When talking with promoters here in the south they said this: "Why would I want to take my current modified class, split it in half, and pay 2 purses." Here in the south, track promoters aren't as "well off" as they are in the north. Now, I'm not saying track promoters in the south don't make money off of their track because we all know they do. But, they don't do as well as the promoters in the north do. Especially in Houston.

Now, SIMS also understands how some of you feel about a Limited being a Bomber yada yada yada. But, you have to play the numbers when it comes to promoting. How many people can afford to build/buy a race ready B Mod? Lots yeah. But, there are a whole lot more who can afford a Limited. The people you see racing a Limited are people who under just about no other circumstances could afford to race anything that looks like a modified. So, this is their A Mod. Something they can take to sponsors that looks NEAT, something they can be proud of.

We understand that many of you want to be in a regular modified because you don't want to take a step back as you put it, and that's fine. But we at SIMS wanted to make these points so that everyone knows exactly why and where we at SIMS are coming from.

Thanks and good luck to everyone this race season!

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SIMS Modifieds - "A new dirt track tradition."

irace74
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 38
posted January 07, 2002 10:35 AM
Instead of taking a step back, why don't we go back to the original intent of modified racing rules and apply the ASA standard. I be;lieve that the crate motor standard is extremely viable and appropriate for the modified class. This approach would allow for the use of a descent crank, good rods, good pistons and at a price which would allow the everyday racer to be involved, 5000-7000, to run the entire summer. I don't think anyone running the big shows is using a motor like this, most are using old late model 430's. Let's not split classes but, put a competative class on the track which is affordable to both the racer and the promotor such that the classes can expand and everyone can have fun.

21L
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted January 07, 2002 11:34 AM
We have been running b-mods in mid-mo since the early 90's...and you dont need to buy a new 9-15 thousand dollar chassis to be competitive. with the weight rule you can be competititve with a roller bought from someone running an a-mod, it is pretty common site for the cars to be 5 years old or more. yes some guys have a brand new chassis every year, but, I have seen guys win with OLD mods also. locally we have a 2600 pound minimum, run a "stock" 4412 carb. And you cant tell me there is less money in the street stock class motors...there are gonna be some that spend outragous amounts of money on their motors, no matter what class you are in. All in all, I think b-mods..or limited mods, whatever you want to call them is a cheaper form of racing, with all the mods...a & b... the parts seem to be pretty plentiful over the net if you want to buy used, and seem to be no more expensive new than if you were running any other class of car. a set of gears is the same cost if you are running an a-mod or a hobby stock, your tires , seat, belts, shifters,hoses,pulleys, wheels, you name it, when you buy it they dont care what you are putting it on.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 885
posted January 08, 2002 11:18 AM UIN: 54865418
i agree with you 21 we run them here in nc iowa and they are 95%used chassis sims i like your class but here are the few things i disagree with you on yes i'm sure you have heard the mod bodied bomber deal if you look at it there is no adjustability thats one thing that draws guys to mods and also you need to build a new chassis to run in your class till they get a few and start selling used ones i myself am looking at running b-mods this years and my uncle is going to be moving down to them so he can have some fun again after being out of racing for 10 years he tried to get back in he always ran mods and late models so he wanted to stay in them this gives him a chance to still be competive and aford to live lol he doesn't have the big bucks to run with the big dogs he only has one motor and thats nothing special he has tried to run regular mods the last couple years and has had no fun running hind tit.i myself am tring to sell my bomber so i can buy an old and i mean old mod chassis 89 flexi-flier i found a roller for 1000 and all i have to buy that i don't already have is headers and an alum rad. the only thing i don'rt like aboput the rules we run now is that you can still run the trick clutches and stuff i would like to see them go to a stock single disc clutch and funtional converter in autos also alittle more purse would be alright right now it is the same to win as hobby but it pays out better throught the pack

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 309
posted January 08, 2002 07:13 PM
if you take away 'street stocks'...you take away...."real racin". you say how many full bodied classes do you need....well how many classes do you need that look like ump modifieds...the people who come to watch can realate to a full bodied car running around in a circle...but they see wedge cars and they all look the same...there a big diff. in a Limited mod and a UMP..but to the everyday fan they look the same..and i never used to like the wedged modifieds cause they didnt look like no car...now i race one and love it though...i waz talking to a guy today about this...and i tell him..you know...this ump class is expensive to run...and guys always complaining about how much it cost to run it...everyone who gets in an "A" mod knows it cost a heck of a lot of money to run competitively...and with the technology that is coming it will only get more expensive prolly but that should be expected....one reason i got into mods is because i was tired of all the rules..and how they were interpreted..and some guys they mean different than me..one track has these rules..one track 2 miles down the road has another set of rules...BS!! now i can race two nights a week if i wanted to at 4 diff. tracks with just a gear change. all yall who think them Limited mods here are bombers...need to take a look...thats some of the closest racing around in the limited class....yea its a stock frame all the way back...but like SIMS said..its something that a guy that would have built a bomber can now take this neet looking car to a sponser...and be proud of what he has...and when he get ready to run in a class like what yall are talking about "B" mods..he gets into late model class...pretty much like what B mods yall are talking about just with wide bodies on em....more competitive racing there too....then when he really feel brave...or is crazy...he will get into "A" mod..lol.....sorry for the ramble....just my nickles worth...

General
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted January 08, 2002 09:59 PM
Mod 93, I really think you need to take a second look at those limited late models you are refering to. The front running limited late models here have more money in motors than most of your UMP mods!! Truth be known, if they took a thousand pounds off those cars they would most likely beat your "A" mods hands down!
Those "real" (full body) cars you are refering to have'nt seen the showroom floor in over Twenty years! Most fans have never even driven one of those old body style cars.
You can't compare apples to oranges. B Modifeds are a great alternative to an all out UMP modified. Limited Mods are a great alternative to any bomber or hobby stock class.
Looks are only skin deep, the reason limited mods are so great is they are only 2300lbs vs 3400 for any other full bodied bomber in the houston area.
If they had a "real" Late Model or East coast mod class in Houston, I am sure most of the front running mod drivers would have one in a week! Ever since the Late Models died out around here you guy's think economy modifieds is supposed to be some high-tech high-dollar elite class! You want to spend big bucks thiers a class for you, go get yourself a Sprint car. The truth is, we've lost the "econo" in economy mod racing. B Modifieds is a great idea!

ausbigmac7
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 5
posted January 10, 2002 08:04 AM
I can see where you guys that already have cars are coming from. Our aussie AMCA mods are based on your IMCA cars, however the guy who brought the class to oz could see where the IMCA cars were going cost wise and introduced several restrictions to our cars. We all run Holden 253 c.i. V8 engines,(purchased for about $200 aussie dollars used) no engine mods, porting, polishing etc,except for camshaft, 2 barrel 350-500 cfm holley and headers. We must run leaf spring rears with NO torque devices or coilovers. Diff is passenger car sourced, with choice of 9 specified diff ratios. Gearbox is 3 or 4 speed passenger car, autos allowed, but no bypass taps on converters. Flywheel weight is specified and most parts are OEM. This has seen the class introduced in Victoria in 1987 grow from 4 cars to over 330 nationally. They now race in all seven states of Australia and are the fastest growing class in aussie speedway. It may be a bit late for your cars but perhaps, and I'm only an outsider looking in, tighter rules to reduce costs might increase competitor numbers? Incidently the majority of our cars cost around the $10,000 aus dollars mark, (U.S. $5,000).

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ausbigmac7

ausbigmac7
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 5
posted January 10, 2002 08:09 AM
My apologies, the AMCA Mods, Australian Motor Contest Association cars were introduced into Aus in 1997, not 1987.

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ausbigmac7

Dirt-Tracker
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 36
posted January 13, 2002 08:45 PM
We have a prety large class of B-Mods at the track I race at. The restrictions are limited to a 2 barrel carb and gasoline. I really dont see that much of a difference in cost from the A's. **** we have to pay $4.20 a gallon for gas.

In the Championship race last year, a guy that was running 2nd in the points in A-mod blew his engine in the hot laps. So his buddy lets him race the B-mod car in the A-mod feature. Finished 4th!!!! Not alot of difference at our track.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 885
posted January 14, 2002 01:32 AM UIN: 54865418
tracker we have had guys do the same here with bomber and hobby cars these they are talking about are way down on power to a "A" mod 360 9-1 cast parts will not put out much over 350 hp compares to 4-500 in some imca and usmts cars

taz_3tat
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 14
posted January 19, 2002 06:40 PM
we have been running b-mods at our track for several years now and have alot of success... i currently bought i full race ready champion chassis that won two features last year for 3100.00 so if you think its still expensive you are wrong i spent the day today looking in want adds for race cars and ive found bare chassis for as little as 500.00 to 1000.00 for a 1 year old 2 track champion winner i just put my new b-mod together for less then 5000.00 with mostley all new parts .... this class was designed to use up all the older a mod chassis sure they may need a little tlc but what care doesnt thats a few years old... and if you think that you cant afford spending a 1000.00 to fix one up u shouldnt be racing anyway

chas28
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 3
posted January 27, 2002 09:54 PM
chas28
quote:
Originally posted by SIMS_Mods:
You didn't ask for it, and you probably don't want it, but here goes our opinion and view on B-Mods.

Let me first start by the IDEA is great. Whoever came up with a B-Mod is someone who really wants to help the racers. But, the cost of the chassis (roller) are the same no matter what motor is in it. A new roller is anywhere from $9-15k. So, how is this supposed to be an affordable class when just by the price of the car you've eliminated 3/4 of the everyday people. Granted, the overall cost of a race ready B-Mod is less than that of an A-Mod, but what it's doing is splitting the class of cars. That's why SIMS did not come out with B-Mods. In the south racing is not quite as popular as it is in the north. When talking with promoters here in the south they said this: "Why would I want to take my current modified class, split it in half, and pay 2 purses." Here in the south, track promoters aren't as "well off" as they are in the north. Now, I'm not saying track promoters in the south don't make money off of their track because we all know they do. But, they don't do as well as the promoters in the north do. Especially in Houston.

Now, SIMS also understands how some of you feel about a Limited being a Bomber yada yada yada. But, you have to play the numbers when it comes to promoting. How many people can afford to build/buy a race ready B Mod? Lots yeah. But, there are a whole lot more who can afford a Limited. The people you see racing a Limited are people who under just about no other circumstances could afford to race anything that looks like a modified. So, this is their A Mod. Something they can take to sponsors that looks NEAT, something they can be proud of.

We understand that many of you want to be in a regular modified because you don't want to take a step back as you put it, and that's fine. But we at SIMS wanted to make these points so that everyone knows exactly why and where we at SIMS are coming from.

Thanks and good luck to everyone this race season!


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