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Author Topic:   Starting New "limitied" Modified Association in west tennessee
blakehagan8x
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted September 22, 2001 11:39 PM
We are in the planning for making a new dirt "LIMITED" modified racing association in west tennessee for guys that can not afford to run in the imca and ump classes. This class will try to start in west tennessee (Garnertown, Bargenton, Milian tracks and maybe others). IMCA open wheel modified type cars. The class will be limited to two barrel intakes and carbs. limited to cubic inches in motor. Going to run 10" wheels. and no $85 imca tires. asphalt pulloff tires(about $25) We are trying to make it a way to go modified racing at a lower cost. Going to try to run a points system. What we need is peoples SUPPORT. We need 10 or 15 guys wanting to do this to get it going. We have some up already wanting to do it. We are wanting to see if anyone on here would support it. It is just being worked out. Rules are not final, But we are trying to run as stock motor as possible. What do yall think?????????

RaceDoctor
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 23, 2001 07:21 PM
Blake, we have a limited mod class that was started at BattleGround Speedway in Houston Tx 3 yrs ago. Currently there are 5 tracks in this area in this class with minor differences in the rules. There is talk now about a local sanction for this class for next year, with a single set of rules that will be locked in for 5 yrs with no changes. There are currently about 150 cars spread between the 5 tracks with some overlap. If you would like to see the rules ,here are the sites for the 5 tracks .. www.houstonraceway.com www.silsbeespeedway.com www.speedway90bmt.com www.gatorspeedway.com www.105speedway.com
All of these tracks have the rules posted in their rules sections. God Bless America....

Racer4
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 105
posted September 23, 2001 10:43 PM
Blake the Modified class your talking about sounds like a great idea. But where is everyone supposed to come up with those pulloffs? I think that's an awful idea. The Doctor's right the limited mods in the Houston Texas area has taken off like wildfire! But it's really just a Hobby Stock on a diet (Stock Frame and Suspension at 2300lbs) and more a beginner class that has served as the only alternative to an allout Modified in this area. Personally I think (B-Mods) your Mod class serves as a better stepping stone or just higher caliber than the Limited's here. Don't get me wrong, the Limited Mods here are the greatest thing to come along I have ever witnessed! Check out my post's and others on this subject in the Modified Fanatics section.

RaceDoctor
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 24, 2001 11:46 AM
Racer,you are right about the L.Mods in one way, they are basicly a better looking alternative to the Bomber or Pure Stocks.
also any chassis info that you might learn in this is not of much benefit on one of the trick suspension unlimited dollar U.M.P. Modifieds... When the info on this new class started floating around (in 99'I think it was) I was firmly opposed to it. I think Jody,Gould,and Lemmons was creating a special built car class that was going to benefit the chassis builders in the Houston area. My suggestion at the time was a limited class (B mods as you have called it) that the chassis was a used UMP or IMCA car with a Bomber or pure stock engine ,trans rule,and DOT street tires or used UMP pulloffs . This way the drivers could gain information and setups that could be easily carried over into the upper class. I have read your proposal in the other posts and agree with your sugestion. I have been building cars for 13 years and have never been a fan of production-built cars. I believe each driver deserves a car built to his,or her specific needs and situation also every time you build a chassis you always learn something new that can be incorperated into the next one. just my 10 cents....
God Bless America...

Racer4
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 105
posted September 24, 2001 01:11 PM
Thanks for your support RaceDoctor, I am having trouble recieving open support for the B-Mods, but several racers have told me they want this class. To me when you start talking things like 9-1 and stock susp. you are inviting one thing from the veteran pocket pickers, that's cheating. My engine rules lean towards a lack of cheating, I mean why would anyone use a set of illegally acid ported factory heads if they can just bolt on a set of Dart's, and why would someone illegally machine thier heads if they can just run a dome piston? If you want to run an illegal cam and the tech inspector doesn't catch it then by all means rev that sucker up and watch your cast crank fly out of your oilpan. Some guy's will want to opt for the faster UMP class just so they can go faster and still run in the back, that's why I propose the larger RR tire, so they can concentrate on hooking it and go faster. Same goes for the Vacume secondary 750 carb rule, go faster cheaper, not run a two barrel, nobody wants to race a two barrel. Fine you have a nice used Modified roller, but don't have the aftermarket racing trans? Fine run this class and just use the trans you had in your Stocker. Let's face it, around here in Houston there are no Wedgecars to speak of, the classes of full bodied cars were a stepping stone leading up to Late Models, things have changed, I feel everything should lean more towards the new trend and lead towards the UMP's. It's funny, you know the guy's who run real Modifieds on the east coast and such, still refer to UMP as economy modifieds?! If you want to run a Bomber motor then race a Limited Mod, if you want to race a real chassis give the Racers a decent motor that won't break the bank, a B-MOD.

dirtracer17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 38
posted September 26, 2001 08:30 AM
The pulloffs are plentiful around west tenn. Most all street classes run them now. My question is: what class or classes is bargerton and milan going to drop? All of them are running 6 classes now and it is already pushing midnight or after when we get done. I personally think this is a bad idea just because we have enough classes now and with this new dixie late model series beginning I just don't see it happening.Now If you could get them to drop those annoying mini stocks, I would say go for it!

[This message has been edited by dirtracer17 (edited September 26, 2001).]

blakehagan8x
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted September 26, 2001 01:19 PM
It would not be at every track, every weekend. We are planning on a series coming to different tracks each week. I have not talked to the tracks, I dont know about the other guys. We are not trying to replace any other class.

Mod 78
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 16
posted September 26, 2001 01:32 PM
The problem I see with the Limited cass in the Houston area is the motors these guys are running I would take one of these motors that run up front in my UMP car any time.
quote:
Originally posted by blakehagan8x:
It would not be at every track, every weekend. We are planning on a series coming to different tracks each week. I have not talked to the tracks, I dont know about the other guys. We are not trying to replace any other class.

blakehagan8x
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted September 26, 2001 07:59 PM
Well the way we are gonna run the motor rules, you could not put alot of stuff in it. 1.No roller rockers 2. cubic inch limit(still thinking on a number)3. 2 barrel carb 3. OEM heads and Intake. The valve covers will be removed to check for roller rockers after each event. Yall are free to make suggestions......I will have alot more information after this weekend.

blakehagan8x
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted October 01, 2001 10:49 AM
Ok I have some more info on it. Everything will be the same as a IMCA, but we will run a restricted motor, stock clutch, and stock transmission. The 9" ford floater rearend will be allowed.

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 255
posted October 03, 2001 09:27 PM
to racer4..

your class is almost like the Late Model stock at HRP....rear suspension wise..tube rear frame..only thing no eleminators...basically the motor is the same..carb and all. dot tires. aluminum body...yea they should let em cut down some weight in the class...but thats about it...you can use old ump imca chassis and modify them a little..and have a very competitive car in this class..this Late Model class is going to take off i think..in the coming season..just my thoughts....

[This message has been edited by MOD RACER#93 (edited October 03, 2001).]

racer17j
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 177
posted October 04, 2001 12:15 AM UIN: 54865418
the b mods we run here in nc iowa is growinfg every year bascily we run imca mod chassis with imca hobby drive train great deal cause you can get a roller and put your hobby motor in it for some where around 25-3500. i do like the limited mods you guys are talking about but like racer4 said they are just a hobby with a mod body witch gives you pretty much nothing if you ever want to move up and try to run with the big boys. realy i think if they would raise the purse for our b mods they would have 25 a nite easily right now pay is the same as hobby but doesn't drop off as fast for tow money

LAYNE_Trans
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 37
posted October 04, 2001 10:05 AM
if you want to help the racers save money, eliminate the clutch all together. Stock clutches will not hold up, and everyone makes an OEM looking high dollar clutch that costs a grand or more. Fact is OEM clutches get hot and fail, and often come apart testing the scattershield. Let them run a $50 coupler and bank the savings.

Good luck requiring a spec motor, or stock trans. Being a custom fabrication shop I build stock looking stuff all the time, and guys will spend a great deal of money hiding stuff you cannot imagine inside these stock cases. Anyone that gripes about the $3000-4000 prices on our good modified stuff needs to see a $10-15,000 check for one done in a powerglide or turbo 350 case to meet the stock automatic rule at the guys local track.

I really don't know the answer, but anyhting in plain site is easy to tech. Stock transmissions are not. NEVER WRITE A RULE YOU CANNOT EASILY TECH AND ENFORCE.


Good Luck,
Mike

Racer4
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 105
posted October 04, 2001 03:48 PM
Some very good points Layne Trans, I don't like converters either.

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