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blakehagan8x
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 11
posted June 20, 2001 08:58 PM
What type of Spring loaded pull bar works better? the short one that hooks up by where the damping shock hooks up. Or the longer one that hooks up by the drive shaft loop? On a 3/8 mile dirt track mostly dry-slick with slow corners and fast straights (Garnertown)

BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 21, 2001 10:41 AM
ON MY DIRT WORKS I HAVE AN AFCO BAR WITH THE AFCO PROGRESSIVE. DIRT WORKS SEEMS TO LIKE THE BUSCUIT BUT I FEEL THEY BIND ON CORNER ENTRY WHEN IT IS DRY.

lucky13
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted June 21, 2001 12:17 PM
I switched this year from an Afco spring loaded pull rod to a biscuit rod and I will never go back. It takes a little getting used to because the car really unloads when you get off the gas, but the difference in forward bite is worth the trade. I know some other guys have tried biscuit rods and didn't like them, but they were putting them in the same mounts as the pull rod. I tried that it is was super wild bad. I moved mine lower on the rear and took some angle out and it really settled down. Works for me.

blakehagan8x
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 11
posted June 21, 2001 12:42 PM
Thanks

Tom Asmus
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted July 01, 2001 04:00 PM
I have run 2 types and I like the specialty type biscuit pull bar it works great on dry slick. The spring bars are ok but to many workin parts.

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted July 02, 2001 06:11 PM
Would that be a Specialty Fabricating rubber pull bar? Does he build them?

Tom Asmus
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted July 07, 2001 02:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KK17:
Would that be a Specialty Fabricating rubber pull bar? Does he build them?

The one I use is the type specialty uses on there cars but I thinks its built by allstar.

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted July 08, 2001 12:13 PM
Does allstar have a phone number or website?

lucky13
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted July 09, 2001 12:34 PM
Allstar's website is www.allstar-performance.com. That is the same one I use also. I run mine about 18 inches long.

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted July 10, 2001 06:15 PM
Thanks for the info.....do you know the the rate # is?...approximately....Thanks again...Erik

Bigdog
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 28
posted July 10, 2001 06:50 PM
Are you guys talking about that little gold thing with red bushings that is pictured on their web site? That sure does not seem to have alot of rubber for the pull side. Do you run any preload at all or leave it loose, also is'nt that what the hot chassis use?

Tom Asmus
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted July 11, 2001 08:14 PM

That is the piece I like it very much on the dry. As for pre load I just snug the jam nut down, I adjust how it affects the car by movin it up and down by the front mount on my car.

lucky13
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted July 12, 2001 09:39 AM
I also do exactly what Tom does, and yes it is the little thing with the red bushings.

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted July 17, 2001 06:41 PM
What types of rear suspensions do you guys run with those "red things"...I ordered one and it showed up today...I have sponsors coming to watch me this friday and am a little hesitant to put it in for fear of looking like a fool..although I left my old setup so I can bolt it in easy....I was just curious if it works better with a certain type of suspension..thanks again

dirtracer14
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 128
posted July 17, 2001 10:29 PM UIN: 23443678
When i put a simalar pullbar in my car i had to take some angle out of the pullbar so that it would not lift the chassis to far up. I also had to be just a hair more careful with the throttle btw we also run hoosiers.

Tom Asmus
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted July 19, 2001 06:40 PM

Well my car is A WADE MOON car, It has swing arm rear sus, and I run Hoosier dirt bozzes. I also run Bilstien shocks on it. With that Biscuit piece on I start out the night with it about level then I pretty much drop it to my bottom mounting hole, Plus I do some RR and RF shock changes, and some wheels offset changes.

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted July 20, 2001 12:38 PM
What kind of angle do you have when you drop it to the bottom hole?....I run a very similar suspension to a swing arm(kind of hard to explain) but it tune like a swingarm, also running hoosier bozz tires...thanks again

lucky13
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted July 25, 2001 08:26 AM
I have a swingarm rear also. The guy I got my pull rod from said he tried it in his regular spring loaded pull rod mounts and it was really erratic. We drilled new holes about 2 inches above the center section of the rear end so we could run the bar low with very little angle. I run mine with about 3-5 degrees of angle for a heavy track and one hole lower on the chassis on a super dry track (probably 8-10 degrees angle?). I run IMCA Mccrearys. You will know right away if you have too much angle as even down the straights the car will be lifted. I don't know about anyone else, but I do not run a 90/10 shock on mine at all. We took it off and I liked it so we never out it back on. Without the shock it really unloads the chassis on deceleration, but this helped me because it forced me to be smooth or lose ground fast. It works for me.

Tom Asmus
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted July 25, 2001 07:53 PM
Be careful pullin off the 90 10 shock. I tried that also I too thought the car felt better. But with out that shock on there, it tends to do some destructive things to the car. I started out racin under IMCA for 2 years then the track I run it changed to WISSOTA. I ran 3 types of torque links. I like the one from allstar the best, All the guys I run with think that piece is magic.

[This message has been edited by Tom Asmus (edited July 25, 2001).]

lucky13
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted July 26, 2001 08:28 AM
What destructive things do you mean? I had my rearend hitting on the underslung one night, but that was about it. I have about 25 shows on it with no shock. I did also have a crack in the rear swingarm mount, but I think that was from an accident. Did you have something else?

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted July 26, 2001 07:02 PM
Lucky I think he's talking about the driveshaft popping out from to much travel under braking...I tried my new setup out last night..worked great..had almost a full straight lead to win the heat..flat tire in the feature...I due have some tuning to do..right now I'm running 15deg angle which really does unload the car ...I just didn't have enough time to get everything perfect for the midweek show...I'll report back on sunday with tweeking results...Thanks again for all the info and help...Erik

Tom Asmus
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 10
posted July 29, 2001 04:57 PM
Yeah I had the driveline pop out, I had the front torque link mount ripped apart ,and I had one of those afco bird cages ripped in two. Right now I am leadin the points series at my home track. I would rather finish the race instead of be on the trailer broke. I just learned to adjust my drivin style to the car and to the track. Because I used to run 2 90-10s on my car when I was runnin those McCrearys, That worked on dry slick, but now I run hoosiers and one is all thats needed!

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