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jammin
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posted February 02, 2001 09:33 AM UIN: 16262997
Would your purchase a quickchange if your sanctioning organization legalized them?

KK17
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 75
posted February 02, 2001 03:11 PM
I would if I could find someone to buy all my gear sets. I like the idea and cost effectiveness of the QC but only from the standpoint of starting from scratch. If that makes any sense.

quickrick01
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Total posts: 27
posted February 02, 2001 03:20 PM
Yes we would. It will save us money in the long run. Last year we raced 14 tracks on the west coast and all are different

Racer 111
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posted February 02, 2001 04:49 PM
I would in a heartbeat.

fury
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posted February 02, 2001 06:22 PM
If UMP sanctioned it I would not have much choice. I would need one to keep up with the competition. I am against it unless they can find a way to keep them cheap. Once they allow them everyone will have one like the sprint cars real light and all. **** most guys I run against now sold there late model and installed all the parts into a new mod.

doowchuck
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posted February 02, 2001 08:48 PM
I believe that a quick change would be very affordable when you consider all the gear changes possible for cheap gears.

jammin
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posted February 02, 2001 10:03 PM UIN: 16262997
The reason I asked...I talked to Brett Root a while back about this....he said that none of the existing racers would want the expense of crossing over...I told him he was dead wrong...
IMCA is very set in their ways.

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted February 02, 2001 10:56 PM
If ump allows them, im not going to get one. Their just like an aluminum jack. Sure they would make life easier, but their not nessasary. Not in the mod class anyway. It's gonna cost the heck out of me. Ill take that money and put it towards a bad *** motor before ill buy a quick change,(or an aluminum jack..lol.) and a bunch of gears. When I get ready for a Quick change, ill check into the SUPR latemodel series. It's just across the boarder from us...lol. Also not to change the subject, Im not for coil overs either, or fabricated lowers. We in ump finally got a weight rule. It's about time....

Roadhzrd
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Total posts: 101
posted February 02, 2001 11:52 PM UIN: 28276986
I'm all for it. I don't think it's a performance advantage at all having a qc. Not only are gear changes easier and cheaper but a tube change is easier too. I have a new car that takes different width rearend. After weighing the facts it would be alot easier to buy a new rearend than to lenghthen one side. If we had quick changes I could just buy one side tube and a new axle and bolt it in.

boris
Dirt Roller

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posted February 03, 2001 09:38 AM
We would buy one. The gears are cheaper and easier to store. And alot easier to change at the track. I think you will find Brett Root wrong.

4b316
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posted February 03, 2001 11:07 AM
A quick change is not going to be any better in the performance dept.A 9 inch is a lot lighter,spins easier and cheaper,but the gear change option would be so much cheaper and faster to change at the track.There is talk about going with a gear rule but if there is that would negate any quick change issue.As for me if we can afford the gears for a 9 inch,we will have a faster car.

garyg1
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posted February 03, 2001 02:14 PM
quick changes are only way to go to keep cost down. I spent lot, lot less on a quick change a 3 gear changes for my late model than I did for a 9" ford and 3 gear changes for my modified. I will never buy another 9" for gear again. lets the little guy with no pit crew adjust his gearing for his track and motor combination. with 9" for rules only the big guys with lots of money and pit crew to change gears quickly at track get that advantage now. As far as performance the 9" ford will be lighter in weight and less horsepower to turn over but I will give that up for the convenience and the enjoyment of being able to experiment with different gear combinations at different tracks. Can't do that now with only my wife along for pit crew and I'm not changing pumpkins in the middle of summer and all that hot gear oil all over the place. takes the fun out of trying to go faster on raceday.

MOD RACER#93
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posted February 03, 2001 09:10 PM
I wont argue that the gear for a Quick change are way cheeper. Im also with gary1. My dad and I are basically a two men wrecking crew. We are not going to be changing chunks in mid summer at the track. We already did that the week before, in our shop. Which is also about 100 degrees in the summer..LOL. If a Quick change is heavier then im definatly not going to use one. My car needs all the help it can get, when it comes to weight.

One more thing...If the "little guy" can tune better for his track and motor combination...So can the "big guys" tune for their BIG motor and track combination.

And last but not least.....If yall want to run Quick changes, then I want to run a PLASTIC Gran-Prix nose with a headlight kit, and fenders on my MOD.....And let me OPEN up the back end too....Why not throw in a rear spoiler while were at it.....cause thats what we will have...just another some kind of late model class...that runs 8 inch wheels and tires.....

Have a nice day.....

PEDDLER
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posted February 04, 2001 08:52 AM
I've had Q.C.s, and they are nice but if you want one in a mod, move to LM's.
You say IMCA is set in their ways, but (and I don't always agree)they have been successful with keeping the cars simple. It is us the racer who makes them complicated.
My vote for QC's...NO

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garyg1
Dirt Full Roller

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posted February 04, 2001 11:45 AM
just allowing quick changes in mods is not going to make it a late model with 8" tires. Just going to make it cheaper and more enjoyable to race. and modracer93, big guy with big motor is going to get his car geared correct now because he has spare gears and a crew to change them, so this will be no extra advantage to him. He already has an advantage over me as I am not going to change gears at track as the rules are now. WILL be an advantage to the little guy like me with little money and no pit crew who will then be able to change gearing. Quick changes sure look high tech and more expensive so if you don't look into the facts you are going to be against them. But facts prove they are less expensive and looking high tech does not make them faster. they take more power to turn over than a 9" ford so you get no direct performance advantage. again the advantage goes to the little guy who will be equal to the big guys and can change gearing as needed at the track plus spend less money on parts doing it. A plus, plus, plus situation. No negatives about them other than they psychologically look faster and therefore scare the uninformed away from them for this class. Any rule that saves money, save work and makes it more enjoyable to run the class should be incorporated in the rules. Nobody is asking for rubber front bumpers, fenders, wide 5 hubs, aluminum wheels, tubular spindles etc. etc. that would make these cars more expensive and/or faster to run so comparing them to a late model is ridiculous.

MOD RACER#93
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posted February 05, 2001 01:34 AM
Ive seen quick changes before. They use them in late models, sprint cars, sportsman cars, pavement cars, wing skinny cars, even street rods. Pretty much all your outlaw classes use them. Like I said before, my dad and I are the only two people who work on the car when were at the track. I dont have many sponsers either. Even if I had a quick change, im not going to be changing gears back and forth for the track during the night. I dont like to be working on my car when I get to the track. I like to unload it, check it over, hot lap, run the heat, eat some food, check out the ladies, check my car over a final time, make last minute adjustment, and go run the feature. To me that is fun. I have my hands full with just picking the right air pressure to run. Maybe a little stagger, or not. Should I move the pull bar, adjust the J-bar. Stuff like that.

Im not saying that the quick change is going to cost more or less. Anybody knows its would make it easier to change gears at the track. Im just saying Im not going to run one. Especially if it takes more power to turn it, and its heavier. I pick a gear for a track and run it. I have 4 tracks we can race at, with just a simple gear change, AT THE SHOP.

It's just going to help the guys who don't race at one track all the time. The ones who travel to the big shows. I quess I shouldnt even be bothered wether they let us run em or not. I got two other types of cars I can race. I can always sell my mod if it gets too out of hand.......lol.

jklostermann
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posted February 06, 2001 12:26 PM
I think it would be a very good move for UMP. helps make things alot easier on us at the track!

wfoondirt
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posted February 07, 2001 10:43 AM
I for one am for running a quick-change mainly for the fact that its one additional tuning aid. But a few points to consider on this topic that haven't been mentioned. For one if UMP does allow q/c's it will be because Winters sponsorship, and this means that there will be a spec housing that must be bought from Winters and not just any q/c that you can pick up used at a swap meet, at least not right away. And on the topic of swap meets, how easy do you think it will be to sell a housing and a half-dozen gears for a decent price with all the modified guys triing to sell them. Around here at least i know that the majority of the sportsman cars run a much lower gear than the modifieds and only have one maybe two sets. Another point is retrofiting most existing modified for a q/c would require reengineering the rear of the car to accomidate the larger housing. I don't think the additional weight of a q/c is an issue anymore with the implementation of the 2350 weight rule, because the majority of modified could use the additional weight. I also think the paracitic drag of the additional gear set is negated by the ability to tune the rpm range to torque curve of the engine. If UMP allows the q/c UMP modifieds wil be UMP legal and thats it, but they pretty much all ready are that way. It was mentioned earlier that most unlimited classes allow the q/c, and i think for all intents and purposes the UMP modified class is an unlimited class, or at least as much so as the late models. Basically the only think that is limited in the modifieds is the fact that a stock stub is required, but most cars i have seen have the stubs illegally modified anyway so what the difference.

Reign
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posted February 10, 2001 01:56 AM UIN: 28044483
the gear change is good but break a 5th arm bracket or pull bar bracket and load it up unless u got a spool gun for the aluminum case and i dont think anyone has one of those at my track but hey who wants to spend 400 a pop for gears anyway

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