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dman60
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 17
posted January 28, 2001 09:07 PM
Metric mods with Pinto or granada spindles,etc. Why not just use a Ford frame.
Any explanations?
Dman

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 213
posted January 28, 2001 11:53 PM
ok, pinto to small and unibody, granada too small and unibody. no frame. parts from these two help with the geometry on just about every gm frame made. you can use the ford front or rear steer frames but they are a bit heavier. thats why most choose the gm frame over the ford.

fury
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted January 29, 2001 10:26 AM
I have seen a few mods with a Ford front clip that worked ok. They are heavier and I have always been told that there is a bump steer issue when using a FOrd front clip.

That being said the number of GM frames available is starting to get fewer and fewer as the mod classes grows. Lots of companies getting GM clips from the boneyard to build cars.

If you want to build a chassis from scratch and you have a torino frame for example I would use it. Keeping in mind it is a bit heavier, GM metric is the better deal.

dman60
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 17
posted January 29, 2001 06:53 PM
Thanks guys,
I sure don't need heavier with my weight!
Think I'll just stay with what I got.
Dman

Mod57
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 24
posted January 29, 2001 06:55 PM
Champion Chassis has used a Ford Torino frame for years with a high level of success. I do not have Mike Freiden's phone# but his shop is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. There are some photo's of the Champion car in the Suspension section here at The Dirt Forum. I'll get the number for you later.

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted January 29, 2001 07:42 PM
I just dont like working on fords period...lol.

Racer 111
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 92
posted January 29, 2001 08:41 PM
I too was afraid of a Ford until I bought a CHAMPION CHASSIS in 1993.I since have owned 6 of them.I wont own anything else. Now as far as the weight it is very little difference.The CHAMPION on the suspension page is mine.Parts for the Ford are alot easier to find,less chance of bent frame horns,plus tryed to find a 67-72 lower A-frame lately.Bump steer on the CHAMPIONS is great.But very few builders know how to do it right.!CHAMPION CHASSIS phone #319-396-7177

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted January 29, 2001 10:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>cool looking car<<<<<<<<<<<

Racer 111
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 92
posted January 30, 2001 11:03 AM
THANKS !!!

d4490
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted January 30, 2001 06:33 PM
What type of front lower control arm is does Champion use? Is it the older rear steer with a strut rod (like a latemodel) or is it the newer style (camero type)?

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Dirt Freak

Total posts: 213
posted January 30, 2001 07:09 PM
I have built cars on the newer front steer camaro type ford frame. works pretty good.

Racer 111
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 92
posted January 30, 2001 08:11 PM
Older style rear steer,strut rod.It make's it alot better to work with the caster,camber.

joeltjen
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 17
posted January 31, 2001 01:12 AM
bought a used champion chassis last fall and are now putting it together. a friend of mine has a rocket latemodel with a metric clip on it for his new mod and my used champion bare chassis is 27# lighter!!! complete car weight is 2340#. add some lead to make wissota weight rule and i got 61% on the rear, not to shabby. the car i bought was track champion in arlington mn in 1999 and was 3rd last year. these cars are no slouch and i've found that mike frieden is one of the nicest people to get help from. if you have any questions you will get a straight answer. if your looking to buy a car call mike or find a used one like we did, you wont be disappointed! john

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Western PA MOD GUY
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 13
posted January 31, 2001 06:26 PM
where is this champion chassis from? Does hehave a website? Are his cars underslung or can you get whatever you request? What is the weight of a bare chassis if anyone kows? Thanks for the help.

Racer 111
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 92
posted January 31, 2001 08:54 PM
CHAMPION CHASSIS is in Cedar Rapids IOWA.The new cars are underslung,see pictures on the susp page,thats a 2001 CHAMPION.The picture's aren't the best but I'm going to send more after I get the rear end in.They'll be better ';learned to take better picture's.The older cars are underslung on 1 side.My 1997 car with a Bert,alum heads,32 gal fuel was 2190#.58% tail.no lead !!If you need more info call Mike at 319-396-7177 or e-mail me.

Iowamod20
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 20
posted February 01, 2001 10:44 AM
I am pretty sure Mike Frieden does not build cars anymore. He "retired" last year to spend more time with his kids who are into go-kart racing. Beckler brought in Corey Dripps to start building cars again last season. Not sure if they are copy of Mike's cars or a hybrid now. Still called Champion Chassis/Becker Motorsports in Atkins, Iowa which is West of Cedar Rapids.

Anyway, that was last season.

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Dirt Freak

Total posts: 213
posted February 01, 2001 12:17 PM
mike freidin still is buildiing. he left becker over a year ago, and becker did not build any cars, for alomost a year because mike freidin took his equipment and jigs. mike also did not build anything for almost a year. mike owns the right to the CHAMPION name. becker is back to building cars under a different name.

Racer 111
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 92
posted February 01, 2001 08:39 PM
Mike Freiden has a new shop in Cedar Rapids.Mike left the jigs and eqt at Beckers when he left.They owned them.The CHAMPION CHASSIS name went with Freiden,Beckers now call there cars CHAMP CHASSIS however they have only sold one car since.There building the older stlye Freiden cars with some changes that are questionable.Freiden builds his new swing arm cars that he started in 99.That is what is on the suspension page.You can call him at 319-396-7177.

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