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eddie7232
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted November 25, 2002 05:10 PM
Why wrap leafs springs with duct tape? I bougt my car turn key and noticed this. Just courious. Thanks,.

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DMA Racing
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 82
posted November 25, 2002 05:48 PM
i think some do it to keep dirt from geting in between the leafs

ford5
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 298
posted November 25, 2002 06:06 PM
some guys grease the entire spring to get them to flex easier with no bind and then they wrap them with tape to try to keep dirt off them

mongo21
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 101
posted November 25, 2002 06:08 PM
we grease both sides of the leafs,then wrap with electrical tape.but like DMA said, to keep the dirt out.


66jj
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 352
posted November 25, 2002 06:14 PM
why grease them

leafs come with nylon on the ends so they arent metal to metal, those shouldnt need any lube, seems to me that wrapping in duct tape would just trap in any moisture you do get in there??

DMA Racing
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 82
posted November 25, 2002 06:57 PM
i use the afco brand. they use metal bands around a peice of rubber sometimes they slip back and forth,so i wrap them in duct tape,but thats all

tilley88
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 353
posted November 26, 2002 12:00 AM
Would wrapping them actually increase the spring rate?

driver27
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 69
posted November 26, 2002 07:56 AM
Why grease them you ask....Leaf springs operate off of a very simple principle called friction. The folks you see with duct tape on them have most likely disassembled them and polished the leafs on both sides, then applyed grease in between the leafs. The duct tape is simply to keep the dirt out. Leafs do not entirely operate on the pads that are at the end of the leaf. If you dont think it works try this. Take an old one and polish and grease it up, then take a stock one, flip them arch side up and step on them so you have your weight on the arch, now bounce up and down and then tell me it doesnt make a difference. Anything you can to to take binds out of your suspension will only make you faster.

redneck racing
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 276
posted November 26, 2002 08:03 AM
Ive got something in my notes somewhere about this. Im assuming you wrap the whole leaf spring with duct tape, but do you also put the metal keepers back on them or do you leave them off and use the tape only? Eddie

okiepro4
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 35
posted November 26, 2002 06:41 PM
I agree with driver27. I race on a clay/sand track and if you dont wrap the springs and the sand gets in the springs it is like you have added 500lb to your spring rates. they will almost lock up.

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CAGEMAN
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted November 26, 2002 07:18 PM
Its called jack the rear up and pressure wash them out, I just dont understand the theory about this tape wrapping. I bet someone tried it years ago and he realized after a few races that it is a waste of time and a bunch of copycats tried it and the legend lives on today. A few years back I put long zipties on my spokes of my rims, the theory was to wack the mud off of them when I raced, it didnt work and sucked to change a tire. This summer I saw a few drivers doing the same thing and I just giggled. I have never read or heard any spring manufacturer say to do the duct tape thing so I wont do it. Jack the rear up and wash em, then put your grease in em, just like ball joints and tie rods, when you dont put the rubber dust boots back on, you will have to wash it out after every race and apply new grease.

driver27
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 69
posted November 27, 2002 10:27 AM
Cage, If you want to undo your leafs every race and clean and grease them, be my guest. The grease does help alot, and it needs to be between all of the leafs for the entire length. The duct tape keeps the grit out, remember grease attracts dirt. I see no way to pressure wash the dirt out and get the grease back in other than disassembly. Its no urban legend.

redneck, to answer your question, yes you reassemble the spring back like it was including the clamps.

Wonder why spring manufacturs never mention these handy and very useful ideas...simple they want to sell you new springs constantly....

CAGEMAN
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted November 29, 2002 02:15 PM
Just jack the car up and you can see daylight through each leaf. pretty simple

racnfool
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 38
posted December 04, 2002 09:41 AM
I wrap them to keep the other guys guessing, it kind a fun to see them try to check it out when the tape tears a little!

redneck racing
Dirt Freak

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posted December 04, 2002 06:30 PM
Driver27 thanks for the input it is greatly appreciated. Eddie

WILLMM
Dirt Forum Racer

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posted December 04, 2002 07:01 PM UIN: 34
THE GREASE AND TAPE IS A LEGEND

DMS CEO
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 212
posted December 05, 2002 05:00 PM
Grease and tape is not a legend it is a wives tale. Dont believe the hype.

driver27
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 69
posted December 06, 2002 01:07 PM
Your welcome eddie. Like any info in racing, ask yourself if it make sense. To me, grease on a sliding friction type suspension makes sense, plus I know it works for me. Keeping dirt away from grease also makes sense, hence the duct tape. In the end, give it a try, doesnt cost anything and you decide, I think you'll figure out if its a wifes tale or not....

outlawstock17
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 620
posted December 06, 2002 01:24 PM
it's a wives tale. the small amount of friction you relieve with the grease is reclaimed when you wrap the springs with tape. for the best results with leafs, use an aftermarket spring with the plastic pads between the leafs. they keep a little air between the leafs and slide better than metal to metal. try a little graphite dust on the plastic pads.

[This message has been edited by outlawstock17 (edited December 06, 2002).]

DMS CEO
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posted December 08, 2002 07:17 PM
Ill be dang there is someone out there that isnt stuck in the middle ages.

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driver27
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 09, 2002 07:51 AM
DMS....Im simply supplying info I believe to be correct, I can really do without your snide comments.

jammin
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posted December 09, 2002 08:23 AM UIN: 16262997
ok ok... be respectful.

jammin

Pickel
Dirt Forum Champ
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posted December 09, 2002 10:51 AM UIN: 25419780
I run leafs on my street stock and ran greased and tape and did not notice any real differents,,I found in one on the catalogs a leaf spring mont to free the rear end up it self..I was thinking of givin it a try...

driver27
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 09, 2002 03:42 PM
Im done for sure. Im just going back to watching and not participating, its not worth the hassle. But, I think this is a great site and Jammin you do a great job.

DMS CEO
Dirt Freak

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posted December 10, 2002 12:30 PM
Sorry dude I was just trying to help the ole boy out...didnt mean to whiz in your corn flakes.

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DMA Racing
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 82
posted December 10, 2002 06:51 PM
ok, i've been reading this post all week.has anybody put any of these springs on a leaf spring checker? i would like to know if the rate changes.thanks

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