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34Racing
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posted January 06, 2002 02:34 PM
I ran stock 12" by 5 1/2" springs last year in my metric car. This year we are allowed to use spring adjusters on the car. I have never installed or used these before. I need information on what size spring to use both front and rear. And what kind of spring adjuster to use and also how to install it. Thanks ahead! 34 RACING

marple
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posted January 06, 2002 05:54 PM
can you use weight jacks or the hidden adjusters?

34Racing
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posted January 16, 2002 08:28 PM
hey Marple we can use weight jacks on all for sides. 34Racing

snowman
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posted January 18, 2002 12:08 AM
34racer,can you cut off the stock control arm tower and use aftermarket uppers?If so,cut off the tower.The spring pocket has short metal pieces bent down to hold the top of the spring in place,cut these off.Make a 5 in. diameter round plate out of at least 10 gauge material.Drill a hole in the center of the plate big enough for the weight jack bolt,but smaller than the weight jack nut. Center this plate over the spring pocket and weld it on. With the nut run halfway up the bolt,place bolt through hole in plate.Now you have the nut sitting on top of the plate.Using an angle finder/protractor (availible at Sears,12 bucks) placed on the bolt, lean the bolt in to center of car 7 degrees and to rear of car 3.5 degrees and weld the nut to the plate at these angles.Then install the aftermarket a-arm mounting bracket.You need a caster/camber gauge to do it properly.If you are not allowed to remove the stock mounting tower,then you have to weld the nut to the top of the tower,it would weld in at the stock shock mounting hole.In either case,you have to move your shocks,where depends on which method you use.Hope this helps,any questions,let me know,be glad to help

34Racing
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posted January 18, 2002 06:50 PM
Hey Snowman I was thinking of using the round spring adjusters that are open in the middle. so that I wouldn't have to move my shocks. I know that Afco sells them. Have you ever installed any of these before. Also what would you use for the rear adjusters. Thanks 34Racing

snowman
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posted January 19, 2002 01:18 PM
34racing, I am not familiar with the spring adjuster you mentioned.It sounds like like some kind of "cheeter" hidden spring adjuster.All these do is sit on top of the spring and you really don't have to do anything special to in stall them.They are not the most practial thing to use,they are hard to adjust,think about having to adjust one between heats,could be ugly. Bottom line,if regular weight jacks are legal,use regular weight jacks.Moving you shocks is not a bad thing.If you are stuck with shocks in the stock location,then stock location racing shocks are good,far superior to stock type shocks,but nowhere near as good as the shocks availible if you can get out of the stock location.You didn't say whether or not you could cut off the control arm tower and use aftermarket upper a-arms. The procedure listed in my first post is the method I use for building IMCA mods. Should you choose to use it,you would have a big advantage over anyone using a stock type set-up. IN this same forum,under the question bumpsteer,awkwardjeff has listed in detail procedures for optimizing bumpsteer and front end geometry in general.I would point out that this information is not the most easilly obtainable thing in the world. Yes, it's a lot of work and not everyone has the abillity and tools to do it but,should you follow the advice of AwkwardJeff and myself,I can gaurentee that should you get beat,it won't be because someone else has a better front end. These things may sound complicated,but it's not really that hard as long as you have a clear understanding of what to do. Let me know what you are allowed to do,perhaps I may be able to help.

DEEDDUDE
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posted January 19, 2002 04:44 PM
34,

I sent you a PM. The response was pretty long. If you go this route and have any questions just e-mail or PM. Deed

34Racing
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posted January 20, 2002 05:15 PM
Hey Snowman,
We can use any shock or spring in the stock mount or stock location. No aftermarket a-arms. So I'm kind of limited to what I can use but your idea sounds like a really good one. Thanks for the info. 34Racing

snowman
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posted January 21, 2002 11:41 AM
34 Racing, Ok,the track has conflicting rules.The weight jack bolt belongs in the center of the spring pocket,this is not a problem on the rear end,just use regluar jacks....As you already know,if you cannot relocate your front shocks,then you're stuck with the hidden spring adjusters since the front shocks are in the position needed by the weight jacks.... SO, on one hand the track is saying you may install jacks,while on the other hand they're saying you can't make the needed modifications to do so.....This will be a problem for the track,what will they do about it when some of the cars show up with jacks installed and shocks relocated? (racer had to move shocks to install jacks,track said jacks legal,track has problem)......Track does't want to send racer home,lets him race.The other racers who didn't install jacks(illegal to move them shocks you know) are mad as can be.It's an ugly situation.UGLY!! I would try to get some clairification on the rule.(probably does't matter what they say today,they will change it again by race day) The point is,I don't want you to show up illegal,but I certainly don't want others to have an unfair advantage over you.Weight jacks are a great tuning tool,but not magic.(if you have to crank them too much,you got the wrong spring)Big advantage in the better shock. In the end, take full advantage of the rules.(written and unwritten) If you have proper springs,good front end alignment,good weight,square rear end,and an engine that will run competitivily the length of the race,then you have already beaten half the pack.Many street stockers can't tell you which direction thier front wheels are pointed,much less thier caster.....

34Racing
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posted January 22, 2002 07:28 PM
Snowman,
Your right about the rules. Kind of a tough situation. What size spring would you run in the rear of the car? Metric car. As far as the length. Thanks 34

snowman
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posted January 25, 2002 10:25 AM
34 racing, If you are running the stock height springs on the front and are not going to install weight jacks on the rear,you are stuck with the stock height springs on back. If you are going to run the short springs with hidden adjusters on front,then you need to install the weight jacks on the rear and use the short springs on the rear. OK,those are your options.My advice is no matter what height springs you choose to run on the front, install the weight jacks on the rear and run the shorter racing springs. My reason for this advice is, (#1) it is legal for you to do so (#2)it is easy to install jacks on the rear (#3) the jacks are a nice tunning tool and considering reasons 1&2, why not have them and the advantage they provide? Hope this helps..........

34Racing
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posted January 26, 2002 06:39 PM
Hey Snowman,
Thanks for the info! I am going to run hidden adjusters in the front and the wedge bolt adjusters in the back. What length spring would be good to use in the back with the spring adjusters? 34Racing

snowman
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posted January 29, 2002 08:20 PM
34racing I'd use the 11 in. springs.

34Racing
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posted February 06, 2002 08:10 PM
Hey Snowman,
Thanks again. 34Racing

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