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hughes
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 141
posted December 13, 2001 07:23 AM
We have talked about swapping (with cameros, novas etc.) lower A-arms on a metric. It sounds good but to the guys who have drove their cars both ways (before and after) could you tell the difference in the handling. Or is it the the old saying "a little bit here and there will add up"

LAYNE_Trans
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 98
posted December 22, 2001 09:16 AM
changing the lower A-arms will do little by comparison. Only thing it might do is quicken or slow the rate at which your caster and camber changes, or affect the spring rates.

You still have to align the wheels. If you can drop the arms relationship to the spindle, this will lower the roll center and make a noticable difference. The metrics have a pretty high roll center, so using a spindle that the lower ball joint is further away from the spindle centerline will help lower the roll center.

Anytime you start swapping parts, it changes EVERYTHING around it. From bump steer, to caster/camber gains, to steering turns lock to lock. Don't just start bolting on parts because they will fit. Make sure you understand the big picture.

Good luck, Mike.

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hughes
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 141
posted December 22, 2001 06:04 PM
i appreciate the response!!!!

monteregal7
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted December 22, 2001 10:15 PM
Wider is better. Badger Chassis

poboy2
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 219
posted December 22, 2001 11:48 PM
I worked all of last winter on widening our metric car. While I didn't use different control arms, I did use a combination of spindles and rotors to gain about 2 and a half inches width in the front.I was definately guilty of "just finding stuff to bolt on". Even though we had a good year, we were still getting waxed by guys with the stock setup. This year were getting back to the basics. Good geometry and proper weight distribution.If you can master those things along with a little motor under the hood. You can go fast. While wider may be better, you can really mess yourself up if that is all you concentrate on. We learned that the hard way.

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marple
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 117
posted December 30, 2001 06:48 PM
hey poboy2
what parts did ya use to get the additional 2'' of width?i have a metric car with a big monte carlo rear,and the back wheels stick out 3-4 inches farther.i think a wider front track would help me.

redneck bubbas racing
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 213
posted December 30, 2001 09:28 PM
I am not poboy but I cab answer that for you. Go back to the monte carlo that you got the rearend out of. Pull the spindles. Put these on your metric. Real hard huh? You will have to use the big car brake lines but they will fit the stock metal lines. You gain big brakes and better geometry with this swap. All ball joints and tie rod ends will stay the same. You will also get a better roll center with this swap. Now for the bad part. It is a lot heavier adding unsprung weight to the car. Look at the top ball joint angles, they are different. You have to make SURE that you dont get any bind here, that would be bad. Good luck

marple
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 117
posted December 30, 2001 09:59 PM
hey thank ya rdnk bubba

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poboy2
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 219
posted December 30, 2001 10:44 PM
We used 68-72 Chevelle rotors on the front. These will widen the car about 2.5 inches total. Depending on which metric spindle you have, you may have to use a diffent outer bearing. The only problem with doing this is that it is like putting a wheel spacer on the front and will produce more wheel scrub, and will enhance the effects of wheel caster. You will have to have someone at the parts store turn down the O.D. of the rotor on the brake lathe just a little to make it work.(Don't let them tell you they can't do it. They just have to use a drum bar to do it. Anyway, I'm still playing with this deal, so I don't really know how much I'm helping myself.

juni
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 73
posted December 31, 2001 06:53 PM
Have built both stock metric front end and wider track front on the metric the wider is much more stable and gives you better handling , however there is more work to it then just making it wider you will have to correct the bump steer and steering it is worth the extra work if you are up for it if you want help send me a message.

malibuchevy2
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted January 13, 2002 12:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by hughes:
We have talked about swapping (with cameros, novas etc.) lower A-arms on a metric. It sounds good but to the guys who have drove their cars both ways (before and after) could you tell the difference in the handling. Or is it the the old saying "a little bit here and there will add up"
HAVE DROVE BOTH THE METRIC AND THE WIDER TRACK CAN TELL A DIFFERENT INTHE WIDER TRACKING MORE STABLE AND EASIER TO DRIVE

widebody
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 197
posted January 14, 2002 12:07 PM
How about making the camaro stub wider?
Any rotor swaps that will add any width.

redneck racing
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Total posts: 276
posted April 10, 2002 05:56 PM
Widebody somebody can correct me if i am wrong but i just measured the rotors on a 78 camaro/firebird front end that i picked up for my 73 nova from the rotor out to where the studs come through is just a hair shy of 2 inches and if combined should give a width of 4 inches in the front use 3inch back space rims that should widen the front end plenty i would think. Eddie

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