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Author Topic:   Consolidating efforts to make one uniform class!
jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted December 09, 2000 06:38 PM UIN: 16262997
The one problem that I ran into while I was running this class was the rules. They were different everywhere I went. I think the only way we are going to preserve our sport is to someway consolidate efforts and become unified with a set of rules for everyone. A sanction is ok...but I dont think taking fees and sanctions are the correct way to do it....any suggestions?

mrfasttrack
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 3
posted December 09, 2000 09:41 PM
What we are running into, is the the way they classify. We run in Georgia, as a super bomber, but when we run in Alabama or Tenn, they class us as Street stock, we have even been classed as a sportman in Illinois.

Something definitely needs to be done.

Does anyone know of any tracks in Georgia, that run heats instead of just a main. Every local track that we have gone to has this? Really hard to set up the car this way, along with not all that exciting to put all the time money and labor in the car to just do this?

Also anyone from Georgia in this forum?

Still looking for pit help!!!!

Thanks Bill

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted December 10, 2000 09:24 AM
Sounds like a topic I started eariler. I also started a simular topic on other forums.Got a lota talk and nothing else.

As long as there is not a national sanction or orgination that can create a unified set of rules for this class, and a unified effort by the owner/drivers and track owners,this class will remain as different from region to region as NASCAR is from NHRA.

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted December 13, 2000 06:53 PM
You know I guess that what someone said on another forum is true. The class that all promoters have accepted is the IMCA stocks as a street stock class. It looks like Texas bombers, Nebraska proams and other area late models and crusiers are all basically street stocks if you have enough money in that region.

Really i'm just rambling to keep this topic on top.

Thanks Jim.

Racer31
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted December 13, 2000 09:04 PM UIN: 53155759
I agree that their needs to be a standard set of guidelines. However, as jammin' stated, I don't think there should be fee's involved. Racing is a great sport, but it seems, (at least from my end) that it has become a sport where even at the local level "the golden rule" still applies. Here in La. one track let's you run aluminum intakes, while 30 mi. down the road they are illegal. I like going to different tracks every now and then to try and keep my skills sharp. But with out a standard set of rules it is extremely difficult. Now the question remains how to determine what the rules will be, how can we get input from drivers, and more importantly how to get local tracks to abide by the rules. After we figure this one out, we can go ahead and cure cancer, and balance the National budget....lol.

VIPER000
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted December 14, 2000 12:29 PM
I AGREE THAT THEIR NEEDS TO BE A STANDARD SET OF RULES. AND HAVE A FEW STATEMENTS ABOUT SOME BASIC CONSIDERATIONS.
1 SET SOME MAXIMUM RETAIL PRICES FOR SOME ITEMS IE HEADERS. SAY IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE YOUR HEADERS FOR LESS THAN SAY $125 THEN YOU CAN RUN THEM OTHERWISE NOGO

2 WHEN SETTING UP THE RULES IF THERE IS A QUESTION IF IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED THE CHEAPEST OPTION SHOULD BE USED

3 STOCK RULES OVER AFTER MARKET

widebody
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 74
posted December 14, 2000 12:32 PM
Like Peddler said, the money. Street/hobby stocks are easy money for the promoters.
Bring in 30-40 street stocks on a given night, with 2-3 pit crew and 5-10 family members in the stands(double most teams) and give them a 2$ throphy and 50cent flag. The problem is there are a ton of part time racers, they show up when time or money permits. The track loves these guys, they never complain about anything. They wont work with the full time drivers to change any thing.
There needs to be more than a simple rule change. I like IMCA for its organization of classes and its more clear cut rules. I race at a DIRT sanctioned track in NY. The problem is Pro Stocks are sanctioned while Street Stocks are not. We are a "track class", they make the rules as they go. We have no clear cut rules, most is just saftey. We are barely legal to run at other DIRT tracks because the rules are so "open".
widebody

VIPER000
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted December 14, 2000 12:35 PM
ANOTHER THOUGHT FIND SOMEONE THAT THE DRIVERS WILL RESPECT AND THAT WON'T TRY TO BUILD RULES THAT ONLY THEY WILL WANT AND HAVE THEM GET TOGETHER WILL LOCAL TRACK OFFICIALS AND DRAW UP A COMPROMISE ON RULES. AFTER YOU GET 2 OR 3 TRACKS TO AGREE TO A BASIC STYLE SEND COPIES TO SOME LOCAL DRIVERS AND ASK FOR THEIR COMMENT. ONCE A FINAL SET OF RULES ARE ESTABLISHED ALLOW ONE YEAR FOR COMPLIANCE WITH ONLY MINOR FINES. IE ALUMINUM INTAKE WILL COST $5 AND ONE FINISH PLACE IN POINTS PER RACE AND A MAXIMUM OF $50 FOR YEAR AND 10 FINISH POSITIONS. IN SECOND YEAR NO RUNNING OF NON STANDARD RULES CARS. THIS TIME FRAME WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO PURCHASE AND INSTALL NEW PARTS. AND BUILD CARS THAT ARE NOT REALLY LATE MODELS.

widebody
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 74
posted December 14, 2000 12:37 PM
Heres another question.
What do you do when Stock new or even used is more costly than aftermarket.
widebody

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted December 14, 2000 08:30 PM
Sounds like the racers are ready to get together, It's the promoters and owners who want to have their own track rules to keep their local cars at their track. Thats just my thought on the matter.

VIPER000
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted December 15, 2000 06:40 AM
IN RESPONSE TO MOD 93 IF YOU COULD GET SAY 2 OR 3 OF SAY 4 LOCAL TRACKS TO AGREE TO A STANDARD THEN THE OTHER TRACK OR TRACKS WOULD NOT HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO OTHERWISE DRIVERS WOULD GO TO THE TRACKS WERE THE RULES ARE THE SAME.

awkwardjeff
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 218
posted December 16, 2000 09:39 PM
All sanctions start out this way......I race with WISSOTA and they were are good organization to race with for about the first 5-6 years then as they grow they became a MARKETING CORPORATION they sell advertising on the side of MY race car.
Now I hate WISSOTA, but I still like racing enough to put up the the rules, money, and other stuff to keep racing for now. Every year I get closer to going fishing.
With all the stickers I must run, then I must buy a wissota license to race with them. I know all sanctions are like this but, This is a PROMOTERS association.....so promoters should be the only one that pay into this pot of gold. NOT THE DRIVERS.
With all the problems they are having now they say 'WE AREN'T A DRIVERS ASSOCIATION"
and that their not.......
racing organizations have a life span like anything.......they start out with good intentions then as they grow they change who they need to make happy........THE CUSTOMER IS NO LONGER THE DRIVERS OR TRACKS BUT IS NOW THE ADVERTISERS....INSERT YOUR STICKERS HERE.........

Just my thoughts.......it's a life cycle of years.........at least at a local level.

fastrack1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted December 17, 2000 03:22 AM
hey here 1 more ga boy and i must agree about the names they are mis leading and they are no uniform rules i believe that in north ga they are running sportsman frames with stock steel bodies but he point everyone one is missing wher is this type racing goona be in 10 yrs it is gonna be harder to find rear wheel cars to use so as i see it we maybe all be running late models and for the heat race question the problem is too many classes and time constraints this is the only way to do it if everyone would go to 3 or 4 classes u wouldnt have this problem

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