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PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted September 10, 2000 06:49 PM
With the cost in grass roots racing increasing, how about a Non IMCA nationwide set of rules for Street Stock?
Here goes my suggestions
1. Full frame car 72 to present.
2. Automatic trans only with min 10" tq.
3. 9 in Ford Production rear end, no full float hubs.( or stock rear)
4. 8 in wheels with DOT 60 ser tires only,
(must be available to general public at retail outlets.)
5. 2bbl carb,no holleys $100. claim on carb.
6. 362ci max limit, flat top,10 to 1 comp Hyd cam .525 max lift, stock rods, stock rockers, cast iron intake, headers with mufflers.$50. protest(pump or visual) or $450. claim with swap plus wrecker fee.
7. single radiator only mounted in stock location.
8. Quick steer ok.
Just some ideas. This may sound like bomber class or crusier in your area but it is not as wild as IMCA stocks are getting or as wild as street stocks are in other parts of the country.

NewGuy1
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted September 10, 2000 07:40 PM
I definately agree with you! The IMCA stock cars are an $8000 to $12,000 race car minimum. In addition, the street stocks vary wildly from track to track. Who wants to build a car that is legal at only one track. You suggestions for rules are very sensible and would still build a nice race car. IMCA had the right idea with a national set of rules, but then they went overboard! Their stock cars are basically a modified with stock skins on it. For the money, why not just build a modified?

06racin
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 7
posted September 11, 2000 04:21 PM
It`s the same in my neck of the wood`s they keep changing and changing the rules to the point that no one can afford to race or at least compete! If i am going to put 10,000 plus in a race car it`s not going to be a street stock ! lol **** we have pure street car`s here that can run with the Mod`s

johnss27
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 13, 2000 11:19 PM UIN: 26380308
i agree with you but whos rules do you want to go by? that is your problem. if i have spent the money for a holley 4412 i want to run it and if 30 people have these carbs at my track they would make a admendment to the rules so the holley would still run.
im not trying to be dumb but the questions would be like #1 if you can run a 72 chevelle why cant i run a 70 chevelle? they are the same frame and the parts interchange???
#2 why a automatic? the standard last longer and dont build the heat and you dont need a cooler?
#3 ok 9" is good, but why not a floater? they are much safer and when you break a axel(like i did last week) you dont loose a tire too and end up on your lid.the floater has more rotating weight and is a slower rear end in terms of weight. but i wont race with out a floater.
#4 8 " wheels? why not 7" wheels? i think all you can buy is the heavy white spoke wheels(cheaper too) the 8" has alot of light weight expensive wheels avalable.
#5 how bout a 2bbl rule 1and 11/16 bore size with a 100 claim holleys aloud.
#6 i realy dont want to get in to motors that much this time but what you got looks good but you need a spec motor and no claim rule with a 100 dollar protest and a way to have all tracks be able to check them.the spec head is the most part....... i think you should run the dart sportsman head with no port work at all----- box stock 202 160 valves give the guys enough motor to goup a class and have somthing to go with.
#7 ok
#8 ok

Deek
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted September 14, 2000 08:14 AM
This is a great subject. Standardization would certianly help street stocks. It's just so hard to get anyone to agree, though. With all of our different ideas on what makes a good street stock, how would we ever agree?
That's the whole problem...No one is willing to change very much. In my area alone we have three tracks close together that cannot achieve standardization. Sure, we get together and discuss it, but so far no luck.
Just look at the rule points listed so far. They're fine, but just for fun, here's some counter points...
Full frame cars only? That eliminates Camaros, Firebirds, Nova's, many Fords and all Mopars. I understand that many street stock rules eliminate Firebirds and Camaros, but in one single swipe, this rule outlaws all leaf cars (assuming we're using stock suspensions). I realize that GM cars make up probably 90 percent of most stock classes, but does that mean the others shouldn't be allowed to compete? Heck, I race a Dodge and a Chevy and they're both competitive.
362 cubic inch limit? Again, this is biased toward GM. Pretty much eliminates a .030 over Mopar 360.
Why headers? They burn up starters, get bent on the track, and are an "enabler" as I call them for more expensive engines. By that I mean that they enable the engine to turn higher rpms efficiently, which requires more expensive parts. How about cast iron with no Corvette center dumps allowed?
Claims are extremely unpopular with most racers. Not saying I personally disagree with them, just making a point. Perhaps the carb claim and limited traction in the form of smaller, harder tires eliminates the need for an engine claim?
Spec. Dart heads? A good idea, sort of, but we're not all running GMs and I think it'd be unadvisable to eliminate other manufacturers. Remember that variety in the class is one of the things that makes street stock appealing to fans. And, most after-market heads for Fords & Mopars are considerably more pricey than Darts.
Regardless, enjoy your street stock racing while it lasts. Just think of the cars we'll have to choose from in 10 to 15 years...Yuck.

speedster
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted September 14, 2000 06:07 PM
HEY GUYS
REMEMBER WE CANT RUN THE 57 CHEVY FOREVER??
IF THE STREETS IN YOUR AREA ARE AS FAR OUT OF THE RULES AS YA ALL SAY WHY ARENT THESE GUYS RUNNING MODS SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A BUTT LOAD OF MONEY IN THESE CARS ANYWAY? OUT HERE ON THE WEST COAST YOU CAN RACE A MOD FOR AROUND 5000.00 AND STILL BE COMPETITIVE KINDA! CYA!

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted September 15, 2000 06:19 PM
Hey Guys, thanks for the replies.

I knew this would happen. If you want to run what you have laying around, thats fine but don't do it at a track that sets up a set of rules like above. The main idea behind the rules that I posted above was to keep the cost down that we the racers have ammended over the years to the point that backyarders are no longer in the race.
If you want floaters,Holleys,standards with ram clutches, race a different class.This is intended to bring street stock racing back to earth and back in line with the wallet.

Eng cube limits can be adjusted for non G.M.
Cast Iron manifolds? I could and would go either way.Spec heads are fine but a complete coverage for all makes would be needed as not to create an advantage.

I.M.C.A. has the right idea in that a hard narrow tire would equalize the cars. I myself like the 60 dot in that you can create some stagger and 8" wheels can be had for 35.00 each most anywhere. The high dollar lightweight wheel is not an advantage on a 3400# street stock so why buy them other than to say you have them.

Thanks again for the replys and keep them comming.
The Peddler

[This message has been edited by PEDDLER (edited September 15, 2000).]

fastrack1
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 15, 2000 08:53 PM
well here is the age old question he who has the most influence wins i am here in south georgia and they have come up with this any engine but can be claimed for a 1000.00 and 3000.00 on the car as i see this rule it is a game of money as it is but the man can buy the best stuff and run it and all he has to do is not sell and what does he lose 300.00 1st place but everbody leaves thinking he won right i dont know of a person that does not think losing 300.00 is worse than leaving with a tore up car and no money but i do agree that some things are out of hands some tracks allow jig frames and factory bodies but think where is this type of racing going to be in 10 yrs it all will have to be aftermarket and jig built

junkyard
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 32
posted September 15, 2000 09:42 PM
Where I race if you don't have a 421 don't expect to win the street stocks. $300 to win.

Kojak
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 20, 2000 09:03 AM
The Street Stocks of the future might be trucks. Plenty of them are around.

Peddler, I think the old lady is going to let me race next year . I can only afford to race n the Pure Street class. Hopefully, I can sell my old parts and Hot Stock to fund the new car.

It is ashame that we cannot get the rules in our area the same. Sure, not everyone is going to travel from track to track, but when there is a rain out somewhere, then you have the option to travel. There needs to be uniformity between Waco and DFW area tracks with the dwindling numbers in the Hot Stock class in our area, and even Street Stocks as of late. It is going to take sacrifice by racers to achieve standardization. Will it happen? Probably not in my opinion.

<Hey, who loves ya, baby? >

[This message has been edited by Kojak (edited September 20, 2000).]

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted September 20, 2000 06:30 PM
Hey Kojak:
Good to hear from you son. Heard you have been on the hospital in Colorado. What did I tell you about leaving Texas.Good to see you back on the forum.

Kojak
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted September 21, 2000 08:06 AM
Peddler,

Yep, I was in the hospital for 5 days(2 too many in my opinion) and the doctors never gave me a definite answer as to the cause, either. They think it was either food poisoning or colitis. Also, they noticed I have a bleeding spleen, but it ok for now. I just need to go in for a checkup at a later date to determine if the spleen is ok. The doctors say you must be hit with alot of force to damage the spleen, which I have not been. So, another unexplained problem with me. However, I did manage to hold myself together long enough to see the Rocky Mountains. Sure is beautiful there, but I am glad to be home. See you Friday if the weather holds up for racing.

[This message has been edited by Kojak (edited September 21, 2000).]

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted September 24, 2000 08:06 PM
I want to thank everyone who posted on this topic. If you think that racing your class has gotten out of hand , then it is up to you and racers like you to calm the rules down some.

If you and others in your class come together in a calm manner and approch your local promoter, rules can be cut back.

Remember that in most cases when all cars are close to equal then races for the fans will be good and cost for the racers will be diminshed.

In most cases ,,RACING IS A HOBBY GO HAVE FUN!!!

wildpony
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 1
posted October 22, 2000 09:37 PM
You answer is to look to the North. Wissota is a sanction with a good set of street stock rules. They run at over 300 tracks in Minnesota, Wisconsin, North & South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming. The Classes they run are in order from top to bottom. Late Model, Modifieds, Super Stocks, Limited Modifieds, Mod-4's, and Street stocks. Check out there web sight at www.wissota.org or www.allthedirt.com

hotfan
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted October 29, 2000 04:38 PM
Hey PEDDLER, thats a good idea for the street stocks. I know several I-stock drivers that are running $9,000 complete rollers and $2,000 engines. I think the street stock idea would be a great idea!!

Pickel
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 239
posted October 29, 2000 07:06 PM UIN: 25419780
I like what peddler wrote as far as rules on street stocks. I was always under the impression that street stock was suppose to be a fun class. Like junkyard said unless you have a big dollar motor don't expect to win. ($300 and some are less) I am from the eastern side of the US and we have the same problem with the street stocks. Also some of the tracks I run at my car is considered a street stock and others tracks its considered a bomber.

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ststock4
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 18
posted November 11, 2000 01:37 PM
Wow, I like the Wissota rules. The street stocks here would excede the rules for the Wissota modifieds. $15,000 in an engine is not unusual. Full tubular frames as well. It's crazy.

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted November 12, 2000 01:49 PM
Hey Guys, Thanks for the replies. It is up to guys like yourselves and other racers that are fed up with the ever escalting cost of grass root racing to work with your local promoters or race track owners to scale back some of the classes.

I also see that IMCA has mandated some new rules for 2001 for their stock car class to try to equalize the class.In some respects this will cost the racer more, but change like it or not will come.

The changes for some tracks that run the late models classified as street stocks will be to see the class price itself out of existence and dissapear. This only hurts the racers.

Good luck to all and remember,it is you the racer who in the long run make things happen.

Racing is a hobby, Go have fun !!

Racer31
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted November 12, 2000 05:16 PM UIN: 53155759
I agree totally with you. I live and race in N.W. La. and there are guys here who have tubular offset chassis, direct drives and the average cost of a competitive motor will run about $9-11K for one that will last, and race gas won't cut it, you have to use alky. (street STOCK remember) All some of these guys need is a spoiler, wide 5's, and a new skin and you have a L.M. Competition like that makes it tough for those of us in it for fun.

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted December 14, 2000 06:09 PM
Just a post to stay on or close to the top and stay with Jammin's post

skawldeddawg
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted January 01, 2001 10:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PEDDLER:
With the cost in grass roots racing increasing, how about a Non IMCA nationwide set of rules for Street Stock?
Here goes my suggestions
1. Full frame car 72 to present.
2. Automatic trans only with min 10" tq.
3. 9 in Ford Production rear end, no full float hubs.( or stock rear)
4. 8 in wheels with DOT 60 ser tires only,
(must be available to general public at retail outlets.)
5. 2bbl carb,no holleys $100. claim on carb.
6. 362ci max limit, flat top,10 to 1 comp Hyd cam .525 max lift, stock rods, stock rockers, cast iron intake, headers with mufflers.$50. protest(pump or visual) or $450. claim with swap plus wrecker fee.
7. single radiator only mounted in stock location.
8. Quick steer ok.
Just some ideas. This may sound like bomber class or crusier in your area but it is not as wild as IMCA stocks are getting or as wild as street stocks are in other parts of the country.

I'm with you on these rules,or a set similar to them.If we as street stock owners and drivers and fans could agree on a set of rules it would open up a lot of doors as far as promotion,opportunities and exposure for our sport.It would be cool if there were some kind of a national shootout series,worth a few dollars,of course!

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