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Author Topic:   Street Stock/Pro Stocks Out of Control?
chomme
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted August 11, 2000 06:51 PM UIN: 1986763
Is anyone else out there besides me convinced that this class has gotten way out of control at many tracks? In CA where I run, it started out with stock firewall/floorpan cars. The car I am running now is a front clipped car, full floater 9" ford rearend, and a 383 stroker motor (brzezinski fully mod intake, ported heads that flow 295 cfm, solid cam, roller rockers, fully modified 4412, 12.5:1 compression, 4340 crankshaft, h-beam rods, 180 headers, you name it), motors set back four and five inches, etc. The car is a fully offset chassis, and only weighs 2800 pounds. And in this class, there are still guys that can walk away from me. I am convinced I am going to switch to a modified next year, and just keep my motor for open shows and use some of my other parts on the new chassis. Anyone else besides me frustrated with the tracks? Which tracks do you all run?

Several weeks back, the biggest thing for me was the rules for the track read "you must run a stock 2 barrel manifold." The rule did not state it had to be a "stock production" two barrel manifold. So, I tried an Edelbrock Victor 2V, and they said it was illegal. So, they keep me from running a $205 intake and send me out to shell out over $700 on a brzezinski that still isn't what the edelbrock is.

4b316
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 39
posted August 11, 2000 09:33 PM
Yeah I agree.I started racing street stocks 2 years ago and built a car according to the rules and couldn,t hardly qual.I put a lot of money in that car that we ran for $150 to win,sothe next year I built a pro late model for a little more money and that class is a $1000.00 to win.Tough rules ,but they enforce thse rules at least

VIPER000
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted August 14, 2000 07:01 AM
STREET STOCKS AT MY HOME TRACK HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT THEY CAN OUTRUN MODIFIEDS. THE RULES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN PADDING FOR OUR SEATS. I HAVE BEEN TRIING TO FIND OUT IF ANYONE HAS HAD THIS PROBLEM AT THEIR TRACK AND IF THEY FOUND A SOLUTION

RickP
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 17
posted August 15, 2000 02:47 PM
Rampant here too. I'm pushing 13:1 Dome forged JE's Manley rods, scat crank, ported heads (major) and it's supposed to be totally "stock" no modifications allowed. I can't even bust into the top 10, I get trampled on out there and it's not due to the handling, most of these guys walk me down the straight.
RP-02BB

awsome98
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 12
posted August 15, 2000 06:02 PM UIN: 68471992
the track i go to you cant tell the difference between purestock & streetstock. some of the cars would probably be a good race for the modifieds.

PEDDLER
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted August 15, 2000 07:04 PM
I feel that most local track rules have allowed the classes to get out of hand. Street Stocks are more like Limiteds, Limiteds are like outlaws, and pure stocks are no more pure than Madonna. The only rules that I have seen that make sence are the IMCA hobby stock with the exception of allowing a 9 inch ford rear end.I am not a proponant of IMCA, but their classes do in most part have a wide seperation.
This is just my opinion for what its worth.

chomme
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted August 15, 2000 08:47 PM UIN: 1986763
Well, I have made some changes for this next weekend, we shall see what happens. I've gotten the car down to a little over 2500lbs (mini starter, various aluminum parts, and all aluminum rims and such). We will see how this outing goes...I will update you all on Sunday.

Any of you all run any tracks in CA/NV? I am looking for some open shows to run after my season ends this month.

--Chad

Deek
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted August 16, 2000 10:01 AM
I race a street stock and run a race track in Nevada. Every year I am beset with street stock drivers who want to make their cars faster. Regrettably, it seems to be us (the drivers) who are our own worst enemies for rules escalation.

I try to maintain a "cast in, cast out" rule with OEM production blocks and heads along with no weight jacks. Additionally, I use a track tire to keep costs down and even the competition. But, racers will tell me, "Why not run headers? They're only 60-80 dollars a set and center dumps cost 250?" Or, "what's wrong with weight jacks? The track tires don't give enough stagger and I'm tired of hassling with spacers to adjust my cross." Or, "What's wrong with running Dart heads?" They're cheap and a lot easier to get than some antique double hump head?"
It goes on and on...

I know that a lot of the promoters just get caught in the middle on this. They get tired of playing Mommy and end up giving the guys the rules they want. And, when the car counts drop because a handful of guys are running away with the class, the promoters will end up doing away with the class and starting over again with strict rules. Then the process starts all over again.

I guess what I'm saying is don't be too quick to blame the promoters for street stockers getting out of control. We can all do our part to keept the escalation from getting out of hand.

BTW, Chromme, We'll be having a two day race in Nothern Nevada on October 7/8. First Day will be Reno-Fernley Raceway and second at Rattlesnake Raceway in Fallon. Still sorting out the details between tracks on rules and payouts, but it should be a good one.


chomme
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted August 16, 2000 10:22 AM UIN: 1986763
Deek -- could you please email me info on the races at Reno and also at Fallon, or a number to call for info? I would be very interested in running both those races. One of my friends would also be interested in bringing his late model and running the two shows (I believe he has raced Fallon before).

Thanks!

Chad

quote:
Originally posted by Deek:
I race a street stock and run a race track in Nevada. Every year I am beset with street stock drivers who want to make their cars faster. Regrettably, it seems to be us (the drivers) who are our own worst enemies for rules escalation.

I try to maintain a "cast in, cast out" rule with OEM production blocks and heads along with no weight jacks. Additionally, I use a track tire to keep costs down and even the competition. But, racers will tell me, "Why not run headers? They're only 60-80 dollars a set and center dumps cost 250?" Or, "what's wrong with weight jacks? The track tires don't give enough stagger and I'm tired of hassling with spacers to adjust my cross." Or, "What's wrong with running Dart heads?" They're cheap and a lot easier to get than some antique double hump head?"
It goes on and on...

I know that a lot of the promoters just get caught in the middle on this. They get tired of playing Mommy and end up giving the guys the rules they want. And, when the car counts drop because a handful of guys are running away with the class, the promoters will end up doing away with the class and starting over again with strict rules. Then the process starts all over again.

I guess what I'm saying is don't be too quick to blame the promoters for street stockers getting out of control. We can all do our part to keept the escalation from getting out of hand.

BTW, Chromme, We'll be having a two day race in Nothern Nevada on October 7/8. First Day will be Reno-Fernley Raceway and second at Rattlesnake Raceway in Fallon. Still sorting out the details between tracks on rules and payouts, but it should be a good one.



VIPER000
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 151
posted August 16, 2000 11:10 AM
I UNDERSTAND WHERE DEEK IS COMMING FROM BUT AT OUR TRACK IT SEEMS THAT ITS NOT A LACK OF RULES BUT A WILLINGNESS TO INFORCE THATS THE PROBLEM. THEY HAVE LET PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THINGS SO LONG THAT MANY OF THE CARS COULD NEVER BE MADE TO CONFORM TO THE RULES WE HAVE. IF A RULE CALLS FOR STOCK SUSPENSION AND A GUY GOES OUT AND PURCHASES A MODIFIED SUSPENSION NOTHING IS DONE MAINLY BECAUSE OF A LACK OF INSPECTION. AFTER ONE PERSON DOES IT THEN EVERYONE HAS TO DO IT AND BY THE TIME COMPLAINTS ARE BEING FILED HALF THE FIELD IS USING IT AND THE PROMOTOR IS NOT WILLING TO NAIL "THE GUY WHO HAS RACED HEAR FOR YEARS".

Deek
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 19
posted August 17, 2000 12:26 PM
Chromme, I'll email the info as soon as it's firmed up...I'm still working on the contract details between my track (Fallon) and Fernley. We thought it'd be best to do up a contract for the race since two different tracks are running the show. I expect to have the details ironed out within the next two weeks. Unfortunately, we're not going to run late models in the show...There's just not enough local cars to support the class. We will have modifieds, though.
Fallon's number is 775-423-7483 if you want more info. That'll get me.

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