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Author Topic:   V-6's In Royce City
TOUGHMOD
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posted January 03, 2000 01:53 AM
Can someone shed some light on the "NO V-6's" in the longhorn Roundup in Royce City Texas this year? It think thats kinda' like somebody saying "NO Mopars or NO Fords". Are the V-6's kick'n that much ass and there to expensive for the average racer to build or whats the deal? I'm a SBC man myself but it's mysterious why the new rule?

modman
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posted January 03, 2000 02:53 AM
It may have something to do with the track itself. If you have ever been there, the track is extremely flat, and can be over powered really easy with a V-8. This is probably the reason the V-6 cars have an advantage. Probably trying to make it a freight train like Nascar. LOL

hotfan02
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posted January 03, 2000 12:58 PM
No the No V-6 thing is like every other thing that those guys have to make a decision on. Its called stupidity and the reason is is because the v-6 is to loud and to fast for the v-8"s that is why.

jracer
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posted January 04, 2000 11:53 AM
Another of the things that they have to think about is how many week-to-week racers(dreamers) can the promoter get to enter(pay a big entry fee)? Nothing against v6 cars but the high dollar/good driver ones ARE better. If the dreamers feel that they could not possibly luck up and compete against this type of car, they won't enter in the kind of numbers required to fund the big purse. The promoter is not going to pay $30,000 out of his own pocket to watch a half dozen v6(in my opinion, there's 6 to 12 of these cars that are of a quality worth discussing) cars race by themselves. It's not about "FAIR"...it's about running a business.
Just my opinion. I USED to be in the dreamer catagory...no more.
Jay

tito
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posted January 04, 2000 07:21 PM UIN: 28902597
a v-8 with the proper set up can run with a v-6 any day...it may be easier to make the v-6 run fast but if you have the proper setup a v-8 will keep up with it anywhere...there just whining cause there getting beat by them..i would bet that the same guys with the v-6 would still be winning if they had a v-8 in them....its the driver thats makes the difference...its just like the type of car he drives...a good driver can make any car work just as well as any other

jracer
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posted January 04, 2000 07:43 PM
you must have missed the y/e race at Devils Bowl this year...and last year...

Hooked
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posted January 06, 2000 09:35 AM
Jay, you must have missed the Longhorn Roundup last year. Wayne Brooks blew his V6 one night while running second in the feature and came back the next night with a V8 and was just as fast, he was all over Donlinger the whole race and finished second.
...and you know in 96'or 97' Paul was beating George and Bo with a V8 before they built his V6. I think the V6 definetly has advantages, but I think it's a smaller part of the whole package than some people think.

jracer
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posted January 06, 2000 02:40 PM
HMMMMMMM. NTMS big shows seem to be won from the front. It's not like they made him start from the tail because the changed engines. I picked DB because it's long,wide, and if ever a big fire breathing 434 inch v8 on Hoosiers was going to kick butt, it would be there. What actually happened was that two lightweight/v6/good driver cars would have put alot of good v8 cars a lap down if it would have stayed green. These aren't weekend racer v8's. These were good cars. I wasn't debating whether lightweight v6 cars are evil or not.
The question I was commenting on was why the promoters said no v6's.
At some point the "dreamer" weekend racers are going to quit entering these types of shows. No 300 car fields...no 30,000 purses.
The promoters are going be forced to structure the rules to appeal to the zillion v8/2400lb/"obsolete" cars rather than the "twelve" or so super-duper v6 teams. There are many examples of innovaters that built a "better mousetrap" racecar only to have it legislated out of existance to "protect" the majority of owners. Turbine car at INDY, Jim Hall's "vacuum cleaner" CAN AM car, Superbird/Daytona Charger wing cars in NASCAR...etc,etc.
I'm not saying that it's a good thing or a bad thing. All I'm saying is, as a businessman, I can understand where the promoter is coming from.
I'll just run my car in the week to week wars. If I'm destined to just watch the "big show"-type cars race, I can do it from the stands for 10 bucks(not $200+pitpasses for multiple days+lodging+everything else).
Just my opinion.
Jay

Hooked
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posted January 06, 2000 07:59 PM
Jay, I agree with all your points, but like you said it's going to take more than just banning the V6. Maybe a weight limit with some sort of minimum tubing size requirements and no moly chassis',etc...

Tim

jracer
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posted January 07, 2000 06:17 AM
In the DB 1999/2000 rules that were distributed last year, it said that a 2450lb(after race w/driver) weight rule was going to be considered for 2000. No word on that so far.
Jay

Hooked
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posted January 07, 2000 07:35 AM
Good deal! Looks like the promoter is taking the initiative himself. IMCA needs to do the same, but the weekly drivers won't get together on this, just complain and show up again next week. It is exciting to think about shopping for the latest trick chassis' and trannies and such, but it sure doesn't make it the low budget class it's supposed to be. Same old story, I'll stop now!

jammin
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posted January 13, 2000 08:29 AM UIN: 16262997
for a budget class, you can almost run a decent latemodel for what you run them for. The payout is a whole lot better too. I love mods, they are the hardest car out there to set up, but make you learn fast and furiously.

FASTFOUR
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posted January 25, 2000 09:28 PM
talking about small motors when the mods first came to our track about three years ago ,i was running a pro four car whitch was a tube frame four cylinder,i was about 200lbs lighter than the mods but i could out run them ,the only problem was restarts and if i had to get off the gas suddenly then the v 8s would simply chugg past untill i built back up my rpms ,its hard to beat a v8 without some weight breaks but given the right circumstancs a four cylinder could be competitive,but dollar for dollar you cant beat a v8

DirtTracker
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posted January 29, 2000 03:57 PM
Could someone tell me how many of the Longhorn Roundups have been won by a V-6?

jammin
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posted January 30, 2000 01:25 PM UIN: 16262997
I don't know how many have won there, but I stopped by the track a few months ago and took a look. That is a flat, sharp turned track. I can see why the V-6's would do so well there. They are hooked up a little better on a track like that. The V-8's are not going to be a match on a track like that.

HIGH LINE
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posted January 31, 2000 11:28 PM
THIS IS HIGH LINE AGAIN AND JON or "jay" IS JUST sore because he can't make his v-6 run with the v-8 cars. HIGHLINE

jracer
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posted February 01, 2000 09:27 AM
I think you mean that the other way around.
Would you be so kind as to list all the racing series /classes that you can think of that do not have a minimum weight rule? How "out of place" do Saturday night mods look in that list?
Jay

HIGH LINE
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posted February 01, 2000 11:27 AM
THIS IS HIGHLINE AGAIN AND you can't build a car as light as those you are talking about? Just how light are these cars? I bet few are under 1850 but most are around 2100#. What does yours weigh J.? How but those cars with no front loop? Someone said that you were the tool in banning the v-6 engines. HIGHLINE

jracer
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posted February 01, 2000 12:50 PM
well played, psychologically speaking, but you omitted answering the question I posed to you directly.
Jay

HIGH LINE
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posted February 01, 2000 10:02 PM
THIS IS HIGHLINE AGAIN and "J" of the top IMCA mod and s.c. are two but even a lot of classes that do have weight rules do not get checked because a large number of tracks do not have scales. Some of the real light cars are not fast long because they are not built stiff and start flexing. I have watched people spend all of their money on "lightweight parts" and run old worn out tires and stay on the back also. I have had the opportunity to see the scale readings of some very fast cars last year at the Longhorn and was suprised at how heavy some of them were. Some did not have as much rear weight as I would have though either. But I would like to see a minimum rule such as 2400#. This could improve safety but would hurt new chassis sales. HIGHLINE

HIGH LINE
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posted February 01, 2000 10:06 PM
THIS IS HIGHLINE AGAIN AND THE ABOVE SHOULD SAY (OFF THE TOP) I am too tire to write tonight. HIGHLINE

jammin
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posted February 02, 2000 06:04 AM UIN: 16262997
Thats exactly why IMCA won't do it too. These chrome moly frames that these chassis builders are making a mint off of would be worthless. Dollars out of IMCA sponsors pockets means dollars out of IMCA's pockets, then this means the racer again has to pay.
That is the end of every string of the whole game. The racer has to pay, therefore, we should be able to pull together and dictate what we want to do. Together we stand, divided we fall, that is why its so important to keep all of our heads together in the future. It really means the future of our sport.

Just a thought.
Jammin

jammin
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posted February 05, 2000 11:20 PM UIN: 16262997
just like the IMCA tires going up AGAIN this year!

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