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4d_POWER
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted March 11, 2002 07:59 PM
Talking Street Stock,

Our track has a 406ci limit, anything 360ci and above adds 200lbs extra weight,
Is a a Ford 351W gonna be able to run with the Chevy 406?

Is 200lbs that big of a difference?

Now I know you can stroke out a 351 but I don't think that would be within the rules.
Also, how many tracks check cubic inch and how do they do it? Some tracks I've seen go by what the driver puts on the hood...LOL seriously.

Anyways is anybody gettin out front with a blue oval?

Thanks

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 639
posted March 11, 2002 08:28 PM
Send Tom Asmus aka mod93 a private message.His mod is the #93 under user pics the yellow and black car with the checkered flag. He is running a 396 windsor amd has several feature wins with it. Right now i am building him a new chassis that will get him even more feature wins. You can get a Eagle 3.850 stroke crank with the 6" chevy rods and a certain piston that i think is for a chevy to make the 396 windosr with a .030 over bore.

ford5
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 298
posted March 12, 2002 07:46 AM
YOU WANT TO WIN WITH A FORD? call or e-mail me, 20 yrs. experience many winning cars have proof, thanks for your consideration brian, p.s. can be done on a chevy budget too! you just have to bleed ford blue lol

modfan
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 27
posted March 12, 2002 06:34 PM
You can also stroke a 351w by using the 3.85 crank stock windsor rods and 302 pistons

4d_POWER
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted March 13, 2002 05:39 AM
Rules say stock crank and rods, wouldn't that negate a Stroker?

Thanks for the help, I apreciate it!

6. ENGINE
A.Engine must follow manufacturers line (i.e. Chevy in Chevy; Ford in Ford; Mopar in Mopar, etc.) Maximum 406 cubic inches.

B.Number one or first spark plug must be in line with upper ball joint.

C.Stock OEM cast iron heads. World Products S/R Torquer heads permitted, GM casting #I-052, Ford casting #I-056. No Iron Eagle heads. No altering of heads.

D.No General Motors angle plug heads or after market high performance heads.

E.Hydraulic lifters only. No solid lifters, roller rockers, roller lifters or roller camshafts.

F.Stock crankshaft and rods must be used. No modifications.

G.Headers are permitted. Mufflers are required. Exhaust not permitted to be directed toward ground, must be parallel to ground. No 180-degree headers.

H.Stock fuel pump must be used. Fuel line from carburetor must be a maximum of 3/8-inch. No electric fuel pumps.

I.Ignition must be stock single points with stock coil. HEI factory ignition is permitted but must be battery powered. No magneto or MSD ignitions.


8.CARBURETOR AND INTAKE
A.Carburetor limited to one stock OEM 2-barrel with NO modifications. Removal of choke plate permitted. Stock Holley 500-cfm Model 4412 carburetor permitted.

B.Must use stock cast iron two-barrel or four-barrel intake with adapter.

C.No after market intake, no polishing, grinding, cutting or porting.

D.Restrictor plates may be required


9.WEIGHT
A.Cars with 360 cubic inch engine or less must weigh minimum of 3200-pounds with driver in driver seat without adding fuel after race.

B.Cars over 360 cubic inch engine up to maximum 406 cubic inch motor must weigh minimum 3400-pounds with driver in driver seat without adding fuel after race.
C.Track scales will be official.


ford5
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 298
posted March 13, 2002 07:31 AM
ok, those are the rules... BUT what can you get away with? remember most tech men dont have a clue about anything to do with a FORD so........ thats why ive always thought it was a huge advantage to run them they are for the thinking mans game so think of a way to creativly (cheat) the guy that wins all the time does!!! P.S. i would rather be illegal and run up frt, than legal and last place!

ryan
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 430
posted March 13, 2002 12:25 PM
Your rules say stock crank and rods. That dosen't mean you can't stroke it. If you use another crank out of another motor it would be a stock crank, right. Unless your rules say stroke must match block or no strokers it would be legal

Machinah
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 79
posted March 13, 2002 02:48 PM
If you run on a really short track, the displacement of your motor becomes less meaningful. Of course more power is better, but your car must handle great first of all. Running up front is what we are all after. If it were me, I would give the 351 a try, especially if you have some practises left. You won't know what the difference will feel like unless you try it in your car. Good luck!

4d_POWER
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted March 13, 2002 07:27 PM
Thanks for the help guys!!

I found that the 396 does use stock rods and 302 pistons, also maybe even better the 408 buildup uses a stock 400m crank....decisions decisions :-)

Anybody use this kit?
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/product.asp?source=2191&base%5Fno=915347&str%5Fbase%5Fno=910CB634P%2C910MS981P%2C91510302F%2C91511302%2C91514000%2C9152271%2C915305%2C915327%2C915347% 2C916815%2C&header%5Ftitle=&page%5Fname=prod%5Flist%5Fdisplay%2Easp&search%5Ftype=L2%7E140&size1=&size2=&gender=&ShowImages=yes&sq=20&cont=1&intPgNo=2&mscssid=7HANLA1F47C68MX8DGU64 DQLD9B2176B

Looks like a pretty good price for what you get. $799 for everything..
heck even a 3.850 Summit crank alone is $550

Also Machinah this is a really big track 5/8 , fast and lots of speed.

I appreciate the responses, glad to know that there are some Blue Ovals out there!!

modfan
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 27
posted March 14, 2002 07:21 PM
I just bought a scat 3.85 stroke crank off e-bay for $429. Then I bought 302 pistons for $60 I had rods. So I built a 399 stroker for under $500.

WINZER RACER
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted March 15, 2002 01:01 AM
Seen a 406 on the Dyno, then seen my 396 made as much on gas as they did on alcohol. Just gotta make the them breath.

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