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jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted July 26, 2001 01:33 PM UIN: 16262997
I visited a track here in Arkansas last week. When everyone was pulling in, I heard this rumbling and grumbling guy get out of his truck. First thing it seemed that I heard out of his mouth was how bad the track was, what a bad place it was and on and on and on. It sure seemed strange, especially since he was racing at the track. Hmm....anyway. I confronted him about what he was saying and come to find out that it was one of The Dirt Forum Members! I do not understand how in the world anyone can bad mouth anyone or any track. I personally did not appreciate one of our members acting this way. This is not what this forum is about, nor what our sport is about. Guys, if we don't walk the walk, then what is our sport going to be like in 10 years?

I saw more people that were just ****ed that weekend than I have seen in a long time. I don't get it. Do people not know how to have fun any more? Is the money the reason?

Sweet Cheeks
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 96
posted July 26, 2001 02:22 PM
Right on jammin! My dad raced sprint cars for years and he said it has already changed so much that he won't even go to a dirt track to watch.

Racer4
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 93
posted July 26, 2001 02:44 PM
Money is definetly one of the biggest reasons the sport can become too serious. The front runners often have the rest of field beat by a large margin making it very frustrating for some "hobby" racers. Around here, where I live there are HotShoes in just about every class as well. Your average guy without a lot of money to spend and even less knowledge who owns all his own stuff and try's to race for fun just can't seem to compete in most of the classes a lot of the time. That's where I believe a proper paying purse needs to be in effect, decent money can't pay just the top two spots, it has to go all the way down. But, Racing is expensive, there's no way around it, if you can't afford it, get out or take a break, then rebound with a more competetive car and spirit. Race On!!

poboy2
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 95
posted July 26, 2001 07:36 PM
Here's how I see this deal.....Anyone who builds a $5000 to $15000 race car to win $100 to $500 a weekend(If your lucky!)for 8 months out of the year has to be finacially insane!!! We are all guilty of this. So if you blame money for taking the fun out of your racing...blame yourself. We all know our budgets, and we all know pretty much what it takes to have competitive equipment. Another $50-$75 dollars a week isn't going to make the difference between first and fifth. If you can't afford your class, drop a class.

Racer4
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 93
posted July 26, 2001 10:26 PM
I used to crew for a guy who allway's was quoted as saying " Remember, it's about having Fun! ". He's right, but some of us tend to lean toward the competetion element of things. Hence I left his crew tired of watching "our car" happily and ever so gingerly cruise around in the rear of the pack every night usually getting lapped well before the checker. Hey, he was having fun right?

Hammer 1
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 48
posted July 28, 2001 11:57 AM
Right on poboy2!!!It's ALL about winning and if they tell you "I'm just in this to have a little fun" I'll show you either a liar or a guy that runs in the back. This whole game is about competition and winning, and let's face it, when you win it don't get much more fun than that .

jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted July 28, 2001 04:44 PM UIN: 16262997
But, if winning is all it's about, you wouldn't have any racers. I think it's great to win, but even greater to compete. I think the competition is the key. But being competitive can and does get out of hand sometimes when we are all there to have a good time doing it. Then greed starts to take over, and I personally feel that this is a major part of the problem. Everyone can't be a winner. But that isn't to say any team that is running isn't having fun running and competing. You can call any racer that runs in the back a loser, or whatever you want to call them, but the truth is that without everyone competing and everyone trying, you have no race. Every racer in the class you are running in supports you, if you win or not. Those racers support the purse. Without all these so called back of the pack runners, you would have no where to run. Simple as that. Everyone in this sport seems to lean toward being a big boy or wanting to be someone that is the talk of the town or someone that wants to be virtually impossible to beat. The guys that I love to watch and run with are the ones that are running with you on open trailers, very little to work with and the knowledge they have acquired during all the hard knocks they have taken while getting to where they are. When these guys are competitive with the big boys(unlimited sponsorships), they have won. They may not win, but they have won.

My thoughts.

jammin

jracer
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted July 28, 2001 05:04 PM
that's very well said, jammin. There is "a guy" in the stands everywhere that wishes he could get any type of car together. Even the slowest, walnut sided car on the track is the envy of someone who can't race at all.
Jay.

Hammer 1
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 48
posted July 29, 2001 05:02 PM
I am in no way calling the guys who run in the back losers, let's make that perfectly clear. What I am saying, like it or not, racing is an extremely aggressive, type a personality, in your face, ego driven sport. I tow with an open trailer, pay my own bills, my biggest cash sponsor gave me 500 bucks, and I have one guy helping me who is my right hand man. We have one 3yr. old race car that has had several clips replaced over it's life and 1 motor that the builder hasn't been fully paid for yet. We both work a 40+ hour a week job and then spend another 25 to 35 hours in the garage working on my race car. I hardly think that this qualifies me for the silver spoon club. I have missed dance recitals, weddings, family gatherings and the like all to persue a hobby I'm very passionate about. I have made the commitment and sacrifices necessary to run up front. We win often and I'm very proud of what we have accomplished with resources available to us. My dad was a stick and ball guy who had no interest what so ever in racing, however he did instill in me the work ethic that if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right, and go to win. If I had no passion to win I might as well get a bucket of golf balls and beat them into submission on the driving range. No pressure to win, no one keeps score, your not any better than any one else, just you, the club and the ball. If a driver can climb into a race car and not care about winning, more power to them, some guys just like to get dressed up in the suit and act the part. However, if you talk to the good ones, they eat, sleep, breathe and live racing 24/7. Face it, this is a tough gig, if it was easy everybody would be doing it and everybody would be winning.

jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted July 29, 2001 07:10 PM UIN: 16262997
The glory is there for anyone that wants to be apart of something very special. Dirt Track Racing is a sport where the family,(not just the driver) can take part, be successful and feel like they have accomplished something. Tell me one more sport that a 40 year old dad and a 20 year old son or daughter can go out and compete against one another and have a good time. The glory is there for the competition and not for the sole purpose of winning for everyone. If it were there would be no competition, nor would there be the quality of the people we have on the forum. The track would be full of hard core people that didn't give a crap about one another and would be running over each other for a two hundred dollar to win race. If your in this for the money, your in the wrong business. If your in it for the glory, your in the wrong business. If your in this to be apart of a sport that shares and benefits off of one another, and needs EVERY member that it can get, your in the right business. Anyone can win gracefully, but how do you lose, that is what your made of? It's not an issue that anyone wants to lose a race, that is a given, but if you don't do well that night, how are you going to act, you can't win every night.

jammin

wheels13
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted July 30, 2001 09:53 AM
I agree Jammin, I have grown tired of hearing guys whine and cry every week before they even take to the track. If you are so unhappy, why in the world do you come and compete? Makes no sense. I dont have a good sized budget t race on. I do it because I have dreamed of doing it since I was a small boy. I won a championship a few years ago in a lower class and I have a mod, low budget thought it may be. I love the mods, I may never win a feature, but I like racing with what I feel are the best there is. Some weeks I may only win the race to the trailer, but I still enjoy it for the pure enjoyment. I love to lift little kids into my car and watch them light up. I take a great deal of satisfaction in being competitive with more expensive cars. I may never win one , but I am here. I know a lot of folks, that sit and say "I wish I had", and never do. it is a weekly social event for me and mine. Good friends, race cars, and conversation. What more can you want? Just my two cents or is it a nickel now ?

Modracer05
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 62
posted July 30, 2001 03:10 PM
We run a small 1/4 mile track that has always been one of the fastest tackiest tracks you've ever seen.
This past year the track has been absolutely horrible, dry-slick, one groove ever night.
Every night it comes down to who can get to the bottom first, no-one has won from farther back than the 2nd row all year.
IMO this isn't racing, we finally had to take a break and haven't been back to the track for 5 weeks.
For me the fun was gone, my point is I can understand how some drivers can complain about the track they race at because I found myself doing just that after being one of the biggest promoters of the track for years.

If someone knows the secret on how to put the fun back into racing, let me know.

rjs
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 38
posted July 30, 2001 04:11 PM
You know I feel that racing today has come to a point where you can buy speed and some "drivers" pay others to work on their cars and all they do is drive. I like to think or know before we go to the track that we can win! If your going to run 10th and some people are satisfied with 10th I would rather stay home. As far as complaining about tracks I do my fair share of *****ing but after years of the same abuse you would too. I live three miles from a great race track, good surface, ok facilities, but the promoter runs a sorry show and doesnot have proper scorers- so I travel an extra 250 miles a week to race (fri&sat). This is America so if you don't like a place don't go back. If the promoter will not fix problems leave but if some one asks what the problem is I will not lie about it. One more thing. Don't say you'll never be back, you probably will, just say , "It will be a long time before I come back to this __-___" Racing is fun, but winning is what it's about. I just can't get too excited about running second.

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted July 30, 2001 07:11 PM
you all who say it is about winning are the ones who will be having a heart condition later on in life.....lighten up.. its a game. just like any other....you play for the win yes.....but its the compitition....that adreneline rush. that keeps you coming back. it costs more to win than its worth. so either were crazy, or drivin by the compitition....you say you wouldnt come if you could only run for 10th.. what if a few of those mods you were racing against rank in the top 20 in the nation...thats what im up against..so for me to finish 10 or better.....i done raced my **** off. i may never win a feature in a mod. i won 3 big races in street stock, im hungry to win again. but i dont put that kind of pressure on myself or let anybody else put that kind of pressure on me...that takes the fun out of it. i used to be a "back" runner in the mods..but it waz cool to be what i considered "the show" what people came to see...now im a middle runner. and anybody who puts on a driving suit and helmet and climbs in a race car is not an actor there a racer, i dont care what you say. because they gathered the balls to do it....regardless of were they run. if they dont want to wreck there car..so what...there out there and thats alot more than alot of "wish i coulds"...they have made the sacrifice it takes to race and get to the track each week......long live dirt track racing....just remember the real reason we come back is to run side by side with someone down the front straight at speeds ranging from anywere to 70 to 100 mph. and be door to door battling and hearing that little clanging noise...you know the one.. when your nerf bars are touching..... : ) just my two cents and change....

Pickel
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 239
posted July 30, 2001 08:52 PM UIN: 25419780
This is Pickel's fiance and I had never been around any kind of racing before I came here to Ohio 2 years ago. I thought it was amazing how other drivers would help you out at the track if something broke, whether they knew you or not. I never knew there were people out there soo kind and unselfish. Some of the nicest people I have met were at the track. Mongo and Snapper and families are a few of these people I am talking about. I love going to the track meeting new people. We build our own motor, set up our own car. We start in Dec. Unlike most we build it outside in the cold. That is what is fun to me! We have very little money in our car but we worked hard getting it ready and we have a blast doing it. We are competitive usually the top ten. We don't try to make a living out of it...we do it for the fun. If we make a few dollars fine if not life goes on. We mainly go to finish in ONE piece, meet new people which I do every week, and HAVE FUN!

[This message has been edited by Pickel (edited July 30, 2001).]

Rooster
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 90
posted July 30, 2001 09:26 PM

Wow jammin, you really hit on one here. I have been there, done that! I've Won, I've lost. I've helped others and had them help me, as well as had some of them stick it to me! I've built many cars in the back yard, replaced pistons on an open trailer in a thunder storm, I've towed with a tow bar! I've been shot at! I've been held at gun point by the Highway patrol, searched, Frisked, slapped and punched. Rained out, froze out, snowed out and overheated. I've had No Money, some money, and other peoples money, Good Sponsors, Bad Sponsors, and No Sponsors. Used the truck motor in the race car, used the race motor in the truck. I've missed the Family things over the years, and yet I've recently watched my Family Race, and win races......I could go on, the point is, with all I've done and seen, all that matters it what each of us gets out of what we do, Win, Lose, or Draw. It's that inner peace, or satisfaction that we all seek, if you can feel that, I mean REALLY FEEL THAT, then you can know Happiness. Racing is only a vehicle for the ride............I hope I made sense....Later

Pickles
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 32
posted July 31, 2001 02:34 PM
Win or lose, if I had a good run I am Pleased.
And the more you're out there the better the chance that you will win. As Smokey Yunick said, "The sun don't shine on the same dogs *** all the time".

dirttrackracer
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted July 31, 2001 05:20 PM
Rooster,what did you do to get shot at and held at gunpoint?I am just asking cuz I dont want that to happen to me.You must be an outlaw!!!!!!!

rjs
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 38
posted July 31, 2001 09:46 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more I want to say I'm sorry. Rooster I can remember being excited about running second, coming from the C to B to the front of the A and running out of laps. That was one of my best memories. Life is full of little moments that we take for granted and when I took a little time to think and read what you'll have said it makes me feel like I did 15 years ago when we started racing. I've raced, owned, sponsored, and crashed just about everything from stock cars to sprint cars and the best memories I have are in those 300 dollar cars. Yes, racing people as a whole are the best people on the earth. I'd help any one that asked and ask nothing in return. I've loaned parts, begged for parts and made races I shouldn't have if not for the help of others. To anyone out there that races from a 1/4 mile dirt bull ring to Daytona don't forget where you came from and what got you started. For a while I did.... Thanks to my fellow racers for helping me find something I never knew I lost.

dirttrackracer
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted July 31, 2001 10:03 PM
Some of the FUNNEST races I have had were racing side by side,lap after lap with good friends.I remember the races very well,how I liked racing with someone that respected my car and vice-versa,but for a million dollars I could not tell you what place we finished,it was the way racing is supposed to be when it is a hobby(fun,fun,fun).

race8k
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 42
posted August 01, 2001 05:33 PM
Maybe if jammin spent more time at that arkansas race track and not on the computer he would understand what is going on.The problem was that the person at the pit gate had just charged me another $ 10 for my 4 yearold daughter which they have not been doing. When the women at the gate was questioned about it I was informed that the drivers had had a meeting and decided to charge for the younger kids.I have raced at this track this year every night it has been open but one.(how many nights have you been there jammin?)They have changed back to racing to the caution which in my opinion is about as dangerous as it gets.Ya I know nascar does it , but they have a gentlemens agreement to get in line and make it back to the line safe.We have 20 guys willing to sacrifice a race car for one spot.They also announced that they would tech cars after the heats but after finding to many illegal they decided not to.They announced an 7:00 pm start .The races didn't start till 8:45.Then there was almost an hour intermission.This track sat idle for over 3 years because of the same type of mistakes.I predict that in the near future it will sit idle again.This is not about getting beat I have raced every weekend for 10 years I have won and I have had my *** handed to me that is just part of racing. If this track doesn't shape up we may not have a place to race.I work hard on my car every week (that's how often we race how bout you jammin).I prepare to race all I expect out of the track is for them to be ready to race and treat me just as bad as the next guy.I have spent my money at this track.I have supported it and tried to get everyone I know to race there but it just keeps getting worse.It must not just be me they had less than 30 cars in the pits this past weekend.So jammin before you get on here and try to embarrass one of the "members" maybe you should know ( and I think you do) what's going on and maybe tell the entire story.What about this tracks web site weren't you working on that why is there never any thing on it.

AC156
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted August 01, 2001 05:53 PM
what track are ya'll talking about?

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