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Elwood
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 31
posted June 05, 2001 08:21 AM
The promoter at Gator has quit and or been fired ( I dont know which ) and replaced. This has cause some what of a uproar in the area due to the fact that the new promoter is the parts vendor at the track. Can anyone give their opinion on this subject?

Ps I am thinking that BHR motorsports is the promoter at HRP right? Same situation.

brownstone
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted June 05, 2001 09:40 AM
I have heard rumblings all year even before the season started that track management was an issue there thus there late start. I dont see what the big deal is about this guy being a parts vendor too. As long as he is not requiring racers to by parts from him or something crazy like that.

Its too bad just when things were looking up some at the track. Any word on if they will continue to run and who is gonna take over...

BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 05, 2001 03:37 PM
I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER BEEN DOWN TO GATOR, BUT I KNOW SOME PEOPLE RUNNING DOWN THERE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT THE GUY RUNNING THE TRACK BEFORE WAS DOING A DECENT JOB, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DIRT TRACK. ALSO FROM WHAT I AM TOLD THE TRACK IS A COOL SHAPE AND THEY GET A DECENT CROWD. THE PROBLEM IS NOW EVERYONE IS ALL WORKED UP BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS RUNNING THE SHOW, MAYBE THE NEW PROMOTER SHOULD GET A CHANCE TO DO SOME GOOD FIRST.

OUTSIDER LOOKIN IN.

jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted June 05, 2001 03:52 PM UIN: 16262997
Just a reminder guys.....I know talking about the aspects of promotion is a very touchy subject. All I ask is that you guys keep it tactful and non-bashing.

Please keep this in mind when posting.

Thanks,
jammin

brownstone
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted June 07, 2001 05:56 PM
jammin

Its all positive here, I hope nothing but the best for gator.......

Its the only IMCA track thats close to the Houston area for mods.

The two other tracks here are UMP and that stands for ULIMITED MONEY AND POWER .

SO I hope gator keeps racing.

BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 08, 2001 01:43 PM
WEBSITE SAYS THEY RAINED OUT THIS WEEK. WWW.GATORSPEEDWAY.COM

Goldigger
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted June 24, 2001 12:26 PM
I heard there were some claim attempt's at Gator this weekend. Some crony for the feature winner is putting negative posts on another site. How do you guy's feel about the claim? Why would you not want the claim rule enforced if someone dominates at the track? Grudge or not, IMCA is a Claim sanction, give us your thoughts.

"A Welfare Racer"

start79
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 56
posted June 24, 2001 06:37 PM
First, I don't believe the person making post on the other site is a "crony" of Henry Witt. Henry was more than willing to let his motor be claimed...To say he is dominating at Gator would be a little exaggerated. He has won twice there...However, being the National Champion, you are a target. The fellow claiming him was light and the claim didn't happen. The other claim was against Joe Butler, it was his first night at the track. I don't believe that really qualifies as "Dominating". It was simply a grudge issue, stemming back to what I don't know...Joe refused the claim and will now have to pay $1000.00 fine before he can race an IMCA sanctioned event again. Do I race? Yes, UMP at HRP. Would I race IMCA, no way! I was even offered several hundred dollars to show up & race Gator for one night. Absolutely no way I'm giving away my motor for peanuts. The claim was placed in the rules to keep the cost down and the competition on a level playing field. When you make claims for reasons other than those, you are hurting the sport..

You signed your post "A welfare Racer" so I assume your a working stiff like most of us on here, so let me pose this question to you. If I showed up at Gator and claimed your motor, simply because my UMP motor was weak & I needed a cheap spare, I don't care for your sentence structure, or the color of your car, how would you feel???

Neither claim that was attempted Saturday night at Gator was based upon someone dominating, which is the basic tenet of the claiming rule. It appears to me they were based upon some other intrinsic motivator, whether it be greed, jealousy or envy...Regardless of the reason, in these two instances it just wasn't right.

However, all these folks knew the rules when they decided to play the game....HMMMM, that 406 is getting a little weak, $500.00 and a thirty minute ride, I could have me a new one....Hope ain't yours Golddigger, but I know you won't complain, because hey, that's the rules....

Ronny Taylor

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jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted June 24, 2001 06:45 PM UIN: 16262997
Well, first of all....we do not want to be like "The Other Site". So, make sure if you going to talk about an issue like this that you stay objective and tactful. The Dirt Forum is a place where anyone can come and voice an opinion as long as it isnt battering or harmful in any way toward a track, driver or fan. I just wanted to let everyone know this and feel free to comment, but please keep it in mind, that we want to stay positive. I hope everyone will take note.

jammin

Racer4
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 93
posted June 24, 2001 09:11 PM
I have seen the "grudge" claim, it hurt the guy and put him out a month or so, & I have seen the $10,000 motor refuse the claim and load up on the trailer. But hey that was a few years back at Battleground, and I was just part of somebody else's crew and we ran "Claimer" motors. Now its different, I am considering running IMCA @ Gator as a car owner. Can anyone admit to seeing the Claim enforced, where it was not a "grudge" or some other negative reason, it seems there's allway's somebody who criticizes any claim.

jammin
Dirt Administrator

Total posts: 3279
posted June 24, 2001 10:38 PM UIN: 16262997
I talked to Brett Root of IMCA about that...he stated that 95% of the claims are grudge claims. But the way he talked, the threat is what keeps the engine costs down, not the claim. I just dont see that spending 10k on a mod motor is necessary myself.....seems to be a little overkill. There was a claim at a track close to us last weekend, the driver drove in the MARS series last year....and is running modifieds this year. He works for GRT, wont say his name, but got claimed, refused the claim. So, it basically says that he is running stuff that shouldnt be run in IMCA....I guess that is the way the claim is supposed to work. Now he has to pay the fine and suspension before coming back. I dont believe this was a grudge, just an outright claim that everyone knew this guy was running LM stuff....so...it isnt all bad.

jammin

BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 25, 2001 08:43 AM
WHAT IF I SAID I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE JOE BUTLER CLAIM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GRUDGE. IT HAS TO DO WITH HIM RUNNING AN ANGLE PLUG UMP MOTOR AT AN IMCA TRACK WANTING TO PICK IMCA RACERS POCKETS. HRP SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO RACE AND MAYBE MR BUTLER SHOULD RUN THERE IF HE WANTS TO RUN THAT BIG MOTOR STUFF.

BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 25, 2001 09:59 AM
RACER4
AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT RUNNING STUFF YOU SHOULDN'T YOU SHOULD BE FINE.

45 SHOULDN'T HAVE COME OUT THERE WITH THAT MOTOR IF HE DIDN'T WANT IT CLAIMED. OBVIOUSLY THE RULE WAS NOT THREAT ENOUGH. AND IF NO ONE EXCERCISES THE RULE THEN HOW IS IT SUPPOSE TO WORK? IT DOESN'T IS THE ANSWER AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A UMP TRACK ON MCCREARY TIRES. HECK WITH THAT. IMCA IS A MORE AFFORDABLE CLASS AND WITH THE CLAIM WILL STAY THAT WAY.

brownstone
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted June 25, 2001 03:52 PM
I am not surprised that Joe Butler was claimed at Gator. He has a good hard charging car when he runs at the local UMP (Unlimited Motor/Money Participants). While I have never claimed I still like the threat. If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen which is what happen in this case. Everyone here knows the rules about claiming when they go to run at an IMCA track. There are no excuses. A lot of people are a little taken back by the claims at Gator but thats just because they are used to going to 105 or HRP where there are virtually NO calims and the cost running there has gotten out of hand. If you want to win at HRP or 105 you need to invest in a big buck motor. That is the reality of the situation here in Houston. I am glad we have an IMCA track here again and if that means that there will be some claiming going on then too bad deal with it or move on andd run somewhere else.

start79
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 56
posted June 25, 2001 05:06 PM
If someone were to claim / swap with Willis or Starnes at HRP, I could totally understand. These two guys dominate wherever they go....I'm sure they have good pieces, but I know what I have and I'm not willing to risk losing my motor to find out for sure what they have. I know they are better drivers and have their cars set up perfect. With that in mind I would feel like an even bigger fool when they beat the next week with my own motor.

I fully understand the reason for the claim and the thought process behind it. But, claiming just because you can, doesn't make it right.

I agree with Brownstone, in that there has not been any sort of significant claiming, here in the Houston area. So this is all pretty new and exciting to most of us. This whole claiming stuff is starting to give me a headache. I'll stay at HRP running UMP and with the way I run not even have to worry about someone taking my motor. LOL

Racer 4, Brownstone, Goldigger & Billy Bob, I wish ya'll all the best. I, myself will admit that I don't have the intestinal fortitude to go IMCA racing and risk losing my motor because of what somebody thinks I may have, hopefully none of ya'll will experience it either...

MOD RACER#93
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 251
posted June 25, 2001 07:01 PM
im with you start79. i dont have that much in my motor but i dont want to be racing it up in the staging lane and someone get the idea that i got a big peice so there gonna take me if i do good, just because i worked my tail off all winter changing and modifying and measuring and DRIVING my tail off in the race. i run 355 but if you stand in just the right spot with the headers i have it could be mistaken for a 406 or bigger. and because i have it setup to run on dry it could possibly do good in the feature. i dont think the claim on the person you all are talking about #45 i believe. i dont say names on the net im sure he really appreciates yall calling him on here. anyhow i have raced with him it has been a while, he is alwayz fast. and i dont think the claim on him did anyone good. not the track the racers or anything.....for one i know he used to bring ALOT of people with him to the pits... add that 20 dollars each up.. the track wont be getting that anymore. plus a car will not be coming back now. now new folks like start and myself will not be coming for fears of getting claimed cause we came from the "ump" track. i dont care call it what you want "unlimited money particapants" i dont care i wouldnt race anything else...sept maybe the limited mod class... i like those. im not mad or trying to knock anyone on here im just saying my opinion. i have raced all the tracks around here....... battleground, 105, HRP, speedway90, silsbee, alvin, even 177 in louisianna...these however are were all "ump" tracks, most still are. i dont have the.....ahhhh cant say that.. t. fortitude to race IMCA..

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BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 25, 2001 07:30 PM
I THINK THAT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE ABOUT IMCA. THE MOTOR CLAIM IS THERE TO KEEP THE CARS IN CHECK. OBVIOUSLY IF 45 WAS CLAIMED HE WAS PACKING TOO MUCH. I USE TO RACE DOWN IN HOUSTON AT BATTLEGROUNDS BACK WHEN IT WAS IMCA, AND THEN UMP. I FINALLY HAD TO GO ELSEWHERE WHEN THE CLASS GOT OUT OF HAND AND THE GUYS THAT TRIED TO CLAIM WERE BASICALLY BANISHED FROM THE RACING COMMUNITY. SINCE THEN I HAVE MOVED AND REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CLAIM. I REALIZE VERY FEW AGREE WITH ME, BUT THAT IS WHY I THOUGHT GATOR DECIDED TO SANCTION IMCA. BECAUSE IT WAS MORE FAIR TO THE AVERAGE RACER.
I AM A LITTLE SURPRISED AT HOW MOST VIEW THE CLAIM THOUGH. IT IS NOT LIKE EVERYONE THAT SHOWS UP AT A IMCA TRACK FROM UMP IS CLAIMED. IT HAPPENS WHEN A GUY IS OBVIOUSLY RUNNING MORE MOTOR THAN HE SHOULD BE. BUT THAT IS WHY THERE ARE TWO SANCTIONS OUT THERE I GUESS. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT YOU RACE.

Racer4
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 93
posted June 26, 2001 12:17 PM
"he used to bring ALOT of people with him to the pits... add that 20 dollars each up.. the track wont be getting that anymore. plus a car will not be coming back now." I would assume this is the reason I've never seen a Houston area track claim, they have the right too, just won't do it.

BILLY BOB
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 81
posted June 26, 2001 01:23 PM
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOST DO NOT REALIZE. CLAIM ONE AND THE TRACK DOES NOT LOSE CARS. IT LOSES THAT ONE CAR. CLAIMING IS MEANT TO KEEP A HANDLE ON THE CLASS. I USE TO RACE AGAINST 45 IN UMP YEARS AGO AND I REALIZE HE IS A NICE GUY AND ALL THAT. BUT IF SOMEONE IS RUNNING A HIGH DOLLAR ENGINE IN IMCA THEN A CLAIM HAS TO HAPPEN TO KEEP THE UMP MOTORS OUT. AND IF THE BASIS IS WHETHER OR NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE COMES INTO THE PITS WITH A DRIVER. MAYBE I SHOULD HAUL ABOUT 20 IN WITH ME EVERY WEEK. THEN I COULD RUN BIG AND NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. LOL

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