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Author Topic:   Costs of building a new bomber....
jammin
Dirt Administrator

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posted January 21, 2001 04:33 PM UIN: 16262997
How much do you think it costs to be competitive in this class now?

Pickel
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 239
posted January 21, 2001 08:22 PM UIN: 25419780
I have known people to put 3-4 thousand dollars into these cars just to win 100 dollars.

bbracer17
Dirt Maniac

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posted January 21, 2001 09:09 PM
That is absolutely rediculous to spend that kind of money on a bomber. I fell that the bomber class should be a learning and fun class. Keep them completely stock with everyone running on the same tire.

cruiser19
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 23
posted January 21, 2001 09:33 PM
i,too,feel that an entry level class should be a fun learning experience.this past season was my first year driving a pure stock car.it seems that at every track i raced at{5 tracks in all} there were always people "stretching" the rules.this makes it harder for people like me to be competitve. most of the tracks were far to leniant on the enforcement of rules.they let too much slide by. just my opinion.

widebody
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 74
posted January 22, 2001 01:01 PM

I agree and disagree. I think the problem isnt so much with the stocker classes as it is so much with the higer level classes. The cost has pushed the middle ground people to a class they can afford. So you have a group of people who want to spend under 10k on a race program. Ask yourself in what class a competitive car at your local track runs for that kind of money(10-15k).
My track you would have 3 choices, run a street stock for 5-6k or a prostock or sportsman for 20-30k, or a mod for at least 30 +. The IMCA mod class is becoming more popular and has offered a choice for some. The problem with them is they run 8-10k engines. NO one claims, period. Its just not done. So a $350 engine claim is a joke, it could be $10 and no one would claim.
A good soultion is the cruiser class I see poping up at local tracks. They run FWD cars and generally run for under 1000 for a nice car, most are in the $600 range. The prolem they have is there will be 30-40 of these cars on a given night. The promotors dont want to deal with them, new drivers, lots of wrecks, you get my point.
My point is that racing is not at a grass roots level any more, its almost another rich mans sport.
Just my thought for a monday.

nate 11
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted January 22, 2001 04:24 PM
we ran bomer last year bought car 400.00 .need batt. tires wheels. crashed the car mid season bought new car used motor tran rearend from old car. striped and installed new seat and cage. had about700.00 invested when painted and lettered. race ready. so its hard to say what it cost. but the more you do to the car suspion the more it cost etc....

skawldeddawg
Dirt Roller

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posted January 22, 2001 10:00 PM
i am in the process of building a street-stock right now. I bought the car, an '87 regal,for 60$(junk price) at a tow lot.By the time im done i figure to have about $1200 in it,not including the motor,and there's where you can really get into the $$$.

widebody
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 74
posted January 23, 2001 08:00 AM
doing the work yourself you WILL save a buch.
I always wheel and deal with other racers.
engines are a sore subject for most. but even they can be built for cheap sometimes.

Good Luck to all.

34Racing
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 42
posted January 26, 2001 06:31 PM
I started last year in the bomber class. I thought it was just a stock street car type of class. Man was I wrong. The track I run at doesn't even check out the cars. Only thing they checked on my car was to see if I had a fire extingisher and seat belts. Guys in the bomber class are running pure stock engines which are not very stock. There are no kind of protest rules or claimer rules. They basically treat us like a junk class with no respect. I put as much time in my car as the other guys do and it seems like the track should give us the same respect.

mongo21
Dirt Moderator

Total posts: 67
posted February 06, 2001 06:50 PM
i think the problem lies with lack of tech and no national class rules. it used to be stock motor,street tires,no headers,stock rear,(gm to gm,ford to ford).now you have to run a 406,dart heads,hoosier super dirt stockers,9"rear,powerglide with dummy convertor,full frame cage,(use to be enduro style)big carb,and bead locks.WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AGAIN.

Pickel
Dirt Freak

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posted February 06, 2001 08:14 PM UIN: 25419780
mongo,
I agree with you. I would love to see a level playing field but I don't think that is ever going to happen.

mongo21
Dirt Moderator

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posted February 10, 2001 08:07 AM
pickel,
did you go to Lawrenceburg for the fun fest back in oct.ran against pro stocks with my bomber,them stocks are fast.it was tough running against leaf spring cars.had to use that chrome horn alot.

Pickel
Dirt Freak

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posted February 10, 2001 08:25 AM UIN: 25419780
Mongo..
no I did not go to fun fest last year... I have raced at lawrenceburg be for... I might try and make it next year.. I know what you mean by those cars are fast.. I have ran against some of them boys be for and the are good..

moronracer66
Dirt Roller

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posted February 11, 2001 09:44 PM
I ran for 6 weeks last year with $600 car, not good, but not bad. This year I am building a whole new car, except main cage, and the cost right now is around $1500. And as for motor. I am building my motor for around $300, that includes new crank, cam, gaskets lifters, the only thing I had was heads and pistons. So it can be done relatively cheap. Like i tell people who ask me about racing, If have to ask how much it cost, you shouldn't be racing. and by the way, I built my car while i am a college student, using only my summer job and winter break job. My sponsor money, about 1000, sees me through the year, sry so long, but just my 2c.

cranesracing
Dirt Roller

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posted February 12, 2001 05:52 PM UIN: 27737824
mongo21 are you whining..you sound like a crusty fan..all you got to do is use to chrome horn more...and you didn't make it to the feature at lawrenceburg and made more money than the one's that did make it. My first bomber only cost me around $500-600 and at that time everything was suppose to be stock.and my car wasn't set-up right at the time and i was keeping with the high dollar cars that was spening hi dollar on there car..GOOD LUCK inkahootzracing..because i'm dusting off the old bomber..and the old enduro car..and just about got the mod ready to go

4Horseman
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 28
posted February 17, 2001 06:41 PM
Moronracer66,
Im a bomber division driver, and don't see how it is possible to build a engin for $300, when you can't even buy a rebuilt kit for that. I don't have any problems with the bomber division, the only thing that is wrong is that there is a bunch of cry babies making it harder on the rest of us. 4Horseman

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted February 20, 2001 01:04 PM
4Horseman,Where do you run a bomber at and did you win any features ?

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted February 20, 2001 02:43 PM
4Horseman, I agree with you. I built a standard bore 350 with a mild cam and it still cost me about a $1000 bucks.

Silver Fox
Dirt Forum Racer

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posted February 20, 2001 02:57 PM
junebug, Where do you run a bomber at and did you win any features ?

cranesracing
Dirt Roller

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posted February 20, 2001 05:56 PM UIN: 27737824
junebug who build your motor? they must have seen you coming.you could buy a crate motor fot that and put a mild cam in it.

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted February 21, 2001 06:53 AM
I did, but i didn't just throw it together.I had to get new everything and get the heads redone ,plus i wouldn't buy a motor from Autozone

jammin
Dirt Administrator

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posted February 21, 2001 01:04 PM UIN: 16262997
Paintswapper.....This forum is not the place for accusations against anyone. If you have a problem with someone cheating, you should take care of that at the track, not here.
I see you are new to this forum. Please refrain from this, if you value your participation here.

jammin

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted February 21, 2001 01:22 PM
well said Jammin, we don't need to get stuff like that started especially when paintswapper is talking about a entire county of racers.

paintswapper
Dirt Roller

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posted February 21, 2001 05:34 PM
i meant no disrespect junebug.i just get agrevated when ive got 4grand in a car and cant hardly break into the top 10.do you have any tech tips to help me reach victory lane?

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted February 22, 2001 01:01 PM
paintswapper, try running 3 wheel brakes on the rtf ,lr and rr of car. This otta help. Oh buy the way, there will be no charge on this information.

paintswapper
Dirt Roller

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posted February 22, 2001 08:09 PM
i appreciate the tip junebug,every tech tip will help.if anybody else has any tips please let me know.

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted February 23, 2001 01:39 PM
no problem , swapper of paint.Anything to help out .

moronracer66
Dirt Roller

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posted February 27, 2001 11:31 AM
The way I built my motor was this:
Block - $50 from a friend
Crank and bearings - JC whitney - 150.00
Heads - Had
Pistons - Had
Camshaft - 60.00 Speedway
Gasket set - 40.00 Speedway

Block didn't need machined only honed, did it myself. Had all the other small parts from my old engine.

DirtKing
Dirt Roller

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posted March 04, 2001 10:24 PM
Here Bomber is called Hobby class. Hobby is not just a fun class here. They are serious as IMCA and they spend a good chunk on the motors themself. My uncle built a "cheap" motor for $5000. It ran good too. So they don't let you get by cheap where I live.

racer17j
Dirt Maniac

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posted March 06, 2001 02:29 AM UIN: 54865418
the most exspencive part for me so far has been tires and wheels after the car was built had about 4500 in to begin with but thats helmet belts suit all that stuff started with nothing and bought it all brand new and it cost about 300-400 a year now to get ready for a new season. moron is right on why send a motor to the shop for these cars we had a older station wagon that had a cam out $75 for the whole car, and found another with a spun bearing same price took other parts off i needed.bought rering kit at midwest motorsports about $75 for a good one felpro gaskets 77 bearings speed pro rings,also bought timing chain , cam ,lifters,rockers,good oil pump for about 175 and won 7 races with it. all because the car was set up. if you realy shop around and hit some swap meets a guy could build one for about 2500 if he realy looks hard

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted March 06, 2001 08:00 AM
I think the most expensive thing now is tires and fuel.Hoosier tires and Unocal gas at 88.00 and 3.46 a gallon is outrageous.

VIPER000
Dirt Maniac

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posted March 06, 2001 09:03 AM
ON THE TIRE PRICE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR AREA BUT AROUND HEAR WE HAVE MODIFIED THAT SELL TIRES BEFORE THEY ARE USED UP. I BUY TIRES FOR $20 EACH AND RUN THEM FOR 1/2 A SEASON. RUN TUBES BUT IN THIS CLASS IT DOESN'T HURT.

mongo21
Dirt Moderator

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posted March 06, 2001 03:23 PM
buy av gas only 2.20 a gallon in bedford

cranesracing
Dirt Roller

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posted March 06, 2001 05:47 PM UIN: 27737824
mongo21 don't give all my secrets away

racer17j
Dirt Maniac

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posted March 07, 2001 01:53 AM UIN: 54865418
we have to run passenger tires no racing tires at all so thats about $75ea after you buy tubes and mount them

junebug
Dirt Maniac

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posted March 07, 2001 08:53 AM
cranesracing,what other secrets have you got? Do you have any secrets on getting around Brownstown,I noticed you don't have any problem when it turns off slick?

Silver Fox
Dirt Forum Racer

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posted March 08, 2001 06:39 AM
junebug, you need to be down there talking to the 31, 00 and 01 units. I timed a few of their laps in a couple different track condition sessions. Comparing them to other fast cars, they seem to have found something in those 108" rides. Maybe, shorter is better.

[This message has been edited by Silver Fox (edited March 08, 2001).]

cranesracing
Dirt Roller

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posted March 08, 2001 08:06 PM UIN: 27737824
Maybe shorter is better.. seeing that a 108" car weights less than a 112" and that's weight that you can put were you need it

[This message has been edited by cranesracing (edited March 08, 2001).]

Kid Rock
Dirt Roller

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posted March 09, 2001 09:07 PM
Three thousand you can be competitive, five thousand you might win some races. I hope i can win some races.

Kid Rock
Dirt Roller

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posted March 09, 2001 09:09 PM
Three thousand you can be competitive, five thousand you might win some races. I hope i can win some races.

hesseracing
Dirt Roller

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posted March 09, 2001 09:33 PM
i run street stock and got my car from friend for 2500 bu he gave me heck of a deal. this year im spending 2000 on the motor. 9th place out of 60+ cars last year in my rookie year wasnt good enough so more money gets spent this year. my wifes car will run me about 2500 but that is with my motor and tranny from last year going in her car. u cant go out and run stock at my track if u want to be in the hunt. cars im going against spend upwards of 3000-5000 on the motors alone. i was happy do do as good as i did last year.

bill_85_99
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted March 10, 2001 10:05 PM
HEY I AGREE ABOUT THE MONEY SPENT IN THE ENTRY LEVEL CLASSES. BUT THE PROBLEM IS HUMAN NATURE. THE COMPETETIVE NATURE COMES OUT IN RACERS.I HAVE SEEN RACERS THAT DOMINATE A CLASS MOVE UP AND THEY DONT WIN, THEY JUST CANNOT STAND TO FINISH 5 OR WORST.SO THEY MOVE BACK DOWN, AND SPEND BIG BUCKS,JUST TO WIN. THE TRACK PROMOTERS MUST STEP IN AND BUT A STOP TO THIS. IF THEY DON'T IT WILL RUIN THE RACERS TRYING TO GET STARTED.

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